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Old 05-25-2009, 01:32 PM   #1
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Both of us can only have the third nuts...

Villain is BenjaminX, 27/20 and aggro. He once folded today vs my 2 barrel in a 3bet pot, where he was OOP. Nothing interesting else.

Poker Stars $10/$20 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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Hero (SB): $2687.00
BB: $464.00
UTG: $475.00
CO: $959.00
BTN: $3335.00

Pre Flop: ($30.00) Hero is SB with Q J
2 folds, BTN raises to $40, Hero raises to $150, 1 fold, BTN calls $110

Flop: ($320.00) 8 7 Q (2 players)
Hero bets $270, BTN raises to $560, Hero calls $290

Turn: ($1440.00) T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($1440.00) J (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $2625 all in, Hero calls $1977 all in

Imo AK/K9/96 don`t make sense for both of us. That leaves 98/97/T9/Q9 what beats me.
These are a lot of combinations which makes sense, but on the other hand a lot of them would bet turn and perhaps not overshove the river.

What you think?
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Old 05-25-2009, 01:40 PM   #2
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Re: Both of us can only have the third nuts...

i think he played 88 pretty tricky and knew you wouldn't check a 9 on the riv
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Old 05-25-2009, 02:03 PM   #3
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Welcome to value owned, population, you.
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Old 05-25-2009, 02:23 PM   #4
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Re: Both of us can only have the third nuts...

against a lvl 1 thinker this might be ok,
i dont play on stars so i dont know if villian is good
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Old 05-25-2009, 06:33 PM   #5
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Re: Both of us can only have the third nuts...

I don't see why he can't have AK. And even if you rule that out there's no reason he can't have a random 9. However, I think it might be more important that it's really hard for you to have a straight here. Add that to the fact that he just open shoves and I think I'd call.
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Old 05-25-2009, 06:43 PM   #6
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he knows that if you're calling $1,000-1,200 given this board, you're calling a shove for $1,977.
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Old 05-25-2009, 07:16 PM   #7
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how can you possibly not know what to do against him, he is probably top 3 worst 25/50 players and no way a winner at 10/20
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Old 05-25-2009, 08:21 PM   #8
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so i guess you are calling for a chop?

owned.
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Old 05-26-2009, 03:35 AM   #9
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how can you possibly not know what to do against him, he is probably top 3 worst 25/50 players and no way a winner at 10/20
I just have 100 hands vs him and this is a very special situation.


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so i guess you are calling for a chop?

If he doesn`t show me a 9 i am winning 99% of the time
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Old 05-26-2009, 05:39 AM   #10
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Re: Both of us can only have the third nuts...

his line looks a lot like T9s or air. I have no read on his frequencies of either though so can't really help. you could certainly say he attempted a cheap bluff raise, gave up on a bad turn card, then shoved when you checked on a scary river card. equally T9s might raise the flop to try to take it down cheaply without having to hit, checks back when it picks up SD value, and then jams the river when it makes the nizzles.
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Old 05-26-2009, 01:47 PM   #11
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I just have 100 hands vs him and this is a very special situation.


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so i guess you are calling for a chop?

If he doesn`t show me a 9 i am winning 99% of the time
right, so what is so speacial about this situation? is there something else you forgot to mention?

i can only judge by your op. your op doesnt suggest anything other than villan is "aggro".

so unless you can give details about this "special situation", the only thing i can logically tell you is that you are probably getting owned here.

fair enough?
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Old 05-26-2009, 02:27 PM   #12
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I guess I would want to know why you think he cant have AK here? Becuz he didn't 4-bet pre? I think his range is now str8 or air and I don't think it is air enough to warrant a call. T9 seems to be right in the wheelhouse.
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Old 05-26-2009, 03:16 PM   #13
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At first. Proba he 4bets AK, if not i can`t see a reason for him to check turn.
Ok he got 4 additional out( if he think his 1 pair out are good here), but i think if he decided to bluff flop he would continue on turn
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Old 05-26-2009, 07:01 PM   #14
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Why not 9x10x?
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Old 05-26-2009, 07:42 PM   #15
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Re: Both of us can only have the third nuts...

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so i guess you are calling for a chop?

If he doesn`t show me a 9 i am winning 99% of the time
I am not neccesarily arguing with you but that means that you should be calling his shove with AA here, the fact that you improved on river is moot.

I think this is a call.
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