Maybe I'm missing something, but in a game where all the action is taking place pre-flop almost any play can be rationalized and the rare one's that can't you can just claim miss-click, how would collusion ever be proven beyond a reasonable doubt?

Also, wouldn't Noah need the HH's from both accounts accused of colluding? Even then, unless they were suicidally stupid and folded AK to AK type hands repeatedly I don't see how collusion could ever be absolutely proven.

OP hasn't proven his case beyond a reasonable doubt but I'd like to ask the jury of his peers having read this thread how many would be willing to sit vs these two accounts? If you say you would, is it because you have a +EV strategy vs colluders or because you truly buy what doosh is selling?

The standard is not beyond a reasonable doubt --- it is a balance of probabilities as viewed by a knowledgeable or expert level grouping of his peers. Any high stakes pros can look at those hands and see irregularities and draw a negative inference from how the conspirators follow each other and sit in a prescribed manner. If it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck and looks like a duck-- its a duck. Stop rationalizing. His reply was pathetic and only made him look more like a duck (and he even lied in it saying he never used HEM and does not multi-account as was demonstrated to my satisfaction about five minutes after he posted his rambling jibberish). I hope 888 sues him for every dollar they paid him.

Do you remember when Jose Canseco listed all the players in baseball he knew for certain were cheating by using steroids. All of them squawked and attacked Jose and said he was out of line or crazy, but not a single one of them sued him. Guess why? Because if they did they would be cross examined and subject to criminal perjury charges.

If Dooshbag won't submit his hand history to a third party along the lines of the bet mentioned earlier he certainly wouldn't swear to anything under oath or have his actions looked at very closely.
p.s.-- Compare Doosh's rambling post in reply with the one submitted by Haseeb in the Girah scandal. See any similarities like a mass of words not really addressing the salient points and personal attacks on his accusers along with obvious lies and logical inconsistencies. I do.

I will also present to you guys this thread since this is a thread about him being a cheater/scammer:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/61...p-seat-769592/

I am still convinced to this day I was cheated against in this, even with the Stars findings. Take it for what you will.

I'm not the one suggesting the 'beyond reasonable doubt' standard, that was the standard proposed for the bet. A knowledgeable expert level group of his peers have already examined the situation and given us their findings in the OP. His response seemed like a bunch of trees to keep everyone from seeing the forest.
Some people are now attacking the OP or suggesting he made this public as an angle shoot. I feel even if these allegations are never 'proven', posting what they knew was a public service for everyone to decide for themselves whether or not to sit vs these two.

Why are you going on about this. You are yourself a person with a low moral standard.

LOL gimme a fkn break with that thread, dude. That is so far from being clear-cut collusion for the reasons stealthmunk outlined. Can't believe you (or anyone) is still whining publicly about bubbling a sat due to some massive chipleader's whims or ignorance. Doosh has demonstrated less than perfect knowledge of shortstacked all-in spots already in this thread, so it's even plausible that he was just making bad folds with like 52o or something.

I don't know the parties involved and have no strong opinion re: the cheating allegations, but I will say that there's this perceptual error that rears its head constantly on this board and is making an appearance here. Not all winning players think or "know" the same things. "Impossible" shoves or calls are impossible in the minds of players who assume a)they have a perfect understanding of what the best play is, and b)anyone else they consider good will think about it the same way. A lot of the minds on this board do think along very similar lines, for obvious reasons, but there are still plenty of great players out there who think about things differently (sometimes correctly, sometimes not).

are you for real? he is shoving 100% of hands in any position except the small blind when he is folding 100%. its blatantly obvious that "shortstacked all in spots" have nothing to do with it, even more so after Doosh admitted that he basically did it because he is a dick. this says a lot about his character and thus it is necessary for the link to remain in this thread so people can see what sort of person Mr Darren Woods is.

This is a good point, and it references the shortcomings of so many poker players that cannot seem to grasp the simple fact that the other guy does not know the same things or necessarily think like themselves

Lol @ comparing the style of posts between parties to tell if they are guilty. Did the possibility not occur to you that all people, whether guilty or innocent, may post in this manner? Maybe do a little research before posting such accusatory things that have a very real chance of being complete bull****? Not to mention the fact that nothing says 'I AM NOT GUILTY' as strongly as composing a massive post defending yourself.

Personally I don't know if doosh is guilty or not, frankly nor do I care for that matter, but I have to feel for him if he is not. Everyone really should get involved in a scandal at some point (especially the sanctimonious retards screaming bloody murder); it is literally impossible to defend yourself. The only way doosh really 'wins' is if 1. someone comes out and 'proves' he is not guilty, 2. he says sorry (whether he is guilty or not) or 3. a whole damn entourage backs him up. Him posting can only facilitate one of these things.

Yeah remember that huge dogishead post. He turned out to be innocent. Wait wat?

A bloke in my local has owed me £200 for three weeks. If he doesn't have it tonight he's gona have a bad weekend. Thought I'd share that.

Sort it out British stylee please lads.

never trust a man with a beard

Perhaps you should lay low for a while jm.... or at least stay out of cheating threads.

When Sauce was accused, he didn't do any of those kinds of things. Don't forget, he almost instantly came off very innocent.

Thank you for that because it reminds me that your associates Dog is Head and Girah were eventually proved to be completely uninvolved in multiaccounting/ghosting, reputation building to facilitate frauds, and team viewer scams and frauds made possible by the earlier reputation building. Wait, that happened right?

Oh, I am sorry, just the opposite.