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Allegations that Darren Woods also known as Dooshcom on 888 poker is a cheater and a scammer Allegations that Darren Woods also known as Dooshcom on 888 poker is a cheater and a scammer

09-16-2011 , 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by tamiller866
I'm not the one suggesting the 'beyond reasonable doubt' standard, that was the standard proposed for the bet. A knowledgeable expert level group of his peers have already examined the situation and given us their findings in the OP. His response seemed like a bunch of trees to keep everyone from seeing the forest.
Some people are now attacking the OP or suggesting he made this public as an angle shoot. I feel even if these allegations are never 'proven', posting what they knew was a public service for everyone to decide for themselves whether or not to sit vs these two.
Why are you going on about this. You are yourself a person with a low moral standard.
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09-16-2011 , 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by driverseati
I will also present to you guys this thread since this is a thread about him being a cheater/scammer:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/61...p-seat-769592/

I am still convinced to this day I was cheated against in this, even with the Stars findings. Take it for what you will.
LOL gimme a fkn break with that thread, dude. That is so far from being clear-cut collusion for the reasons stealthmunk outlined. Can't believe you (or anyone) is still whining publicly about bubbling a sat due to some massive chipleader's whims or ignorance. Doosh has demonstrated less than perfect knowledge of shortstacked all-in spots already in this thread, so it's even plausible that he was just making bad folds with like 52o or something.

I don't know the parties involved and have no strong opinion re: the cheating allegations, but I will say that there's this perceptual error that rears its head constantly on this board and is making an appearance here. Not all winning players think or "know" the same things. "Impossible" shoves or calls are impossible in the minds of players who assume a)they have a perfect understanding of what the best play is, and b)anyone else they consider good will think about it the same way. A lot of the minds on this board do think along very similar lines, for obvious reasons, but there are still plenty of great players out there who think about things differently (sometimes correctly, sometimes not).
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09-16-2011 , 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by cero_z
LOL gimme a fkn break with that thread, dude. That is so far from being clear-cut collusion for the reasons stealthmunk outlined. Can't believe you (or anyone) is still whining publicly about bubbling a sat due to some massive chipleader's whims or ignorance. Doosh has demonstrated less than perfect knowledge of shortstacked all-in spots already in this thread, so it's even plausible that he was just making bad folds with like 52o or something.
are you for real? he is shoving 100% of hands in any position except the small blind when he is folding 100%. its blatantly obvious that "shortstacked all in spots" have nothing to do with it, even more so after Doosh admitted that he basically did it because he is a dick. this says a lot about his character and thus it is necessary for the link to remain in this thread so people can see what sort of person Mr Darren Woods is.
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09-16-2011 , 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by cero_z
LOL gimme a fkn break with that thread, dude. That is so far from being clear-cut collusion for the reasons stealthmunk outlined. Can't believe you (or anyone) is still whining publicly about bubbling a sat due to some massive chipleader's whims or ignorance. Doosh has demonstrated less than perfect knowledge of shortstacked all-in spots already in this thread, so it's even plausible that he was just making bad folds with like 52o or something.

I don't know the parties involved and have no strong opinion re: the cheating allegations, but I will say that there's this perceptual error that rears its head constantly on this board and is making an appearance here. Not all winning players think or "know" the same things. "Impossible" shoves or calls are impossible in the minds of players who assume a)they have a perfect understanding of what the best play is, and b)anyone else they consider good will think about it the same way. A lot of the minds on this board do think along very similar lines, for obvious reasons, but there are still plenty of great players out there who think about things differently (sometimes correctly, sometimes not).
This is a good point, and it references the shortcomings of so many poker players that cannot seem to grasp the simple fact that the other guy does not know the same things or necessarily think like themselves

Lol @ comparing the style of posts between parties to tell if they are guilty. Did the possibility not occur to you that all people, whether guilty or innocent, may post in this manner? Maybe do a little research before posting such accusatory things that have a very real chance of being complete bull****? Not to mention the fact that nothing says 'I AM NOT GUILTY' as strongly as composing a massive post defending yourself.

Personally I don't know if doosh is guilty or not, frankly nor do I care for that matter, but I have to feel for him if he is not. Everyone really should get involved in a scandal at some point (especially the sanctimonious ******s screaming bloody murder); it is literally impossible to defend yourself. The only way doosh really 'wins' is if 1. someone comes out and 'proves' he is not guilty, 2. he says sorry (whether he is guilty or not) or 3. a whole damn entourage backs him up. Him posting can only facilitate one of these things.
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09-16-2011 , 10:43 AM
Yeah remember that huge dogishead post. He turned out to be innocent. Wait wat?
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09-16-2011 , 12:47 PM
A bloke in my local has owed me Ł200 for three weeks. If he doesn't have it tonight he's gona have a bad weekend. Thought I'd share that.

Sort it out British stylee please lads.
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09-16-2011 , 02:00 PM
never trust a man with a beard
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09-16-2011 , 02:20 PM
Perhaps you should lay low for a while jm.... or at least stay out of cheating threads.

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Originally Posted by jungleman
This is a good point, and it references the shortcomings of so many poker players that cannot seem to grasp the simple fact that the other guy does not know the same things or necessarily think like themselves

Lol @ comparing the style of posts between parties to tell if they are guilty. Did the possibility not occur to you that all people, whether guilty or innocent, may post in this manner? Maybe do a little research before posting such accusatory things that have a very real chance of being complete bull****? Not to mention the fact that nothing says 'I AM NOT GUILTY' as strongly as composing a massive post defending yourself.

Personally I don't know if doosh is guilty or not, frankly nor do I care for that matter, but I have to feel for him if he is not. Everyone really should get involved in a scandal at some point (especially the sanctimonious ******s screaming bloody murder); it is literally impossible to defend yourself. The only way doosh really 'wins' is if 1. someone comes out and 'proves' he is not guilty, 2. he says sorry (whether he is guilty or not) or 3. a whole damn entourage backs him up. Him posting can only facilitate one of these things.
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09-16-2011 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jungleman
This is a good point, and it references the shortcomings of so many poker players that cannot seem to grasp the simple fact that the other guy does not know the same things or necessarily think like themselves

Lol @ comparing the style of posts between parties to tell if they are guilty. Did the possibility not occur to you that all people, whether guilty or innocent, may post in this manner? Maybe do a little research before posting such accusatory things that have a very real chance of being complete bull****? Not to mention the fact that nothing says 'I AM NOT GUILTY' as strongly as composing a massive post defending yourself.

Personally I don't know if doosh is guilty or not, frankly nor do I care for that matter, but I have to feel for him if he is not. Everyone really should get involved in a scandal at some point (especially the sanctimonious ******s screaming bloody murder); it is literally impossible to defend yourself. The only way doosh really 'wins' is if 1. someone comes out and 'proves' he is not guilty, 2. he says sorry (whether he is guilty or not) or 3. a whole damn entourage backs him up. Him posting can only facilitate one of these things.
When Sauce was accused, he didn't do any of those kinds of things. Don't forget, he almost instantly came off very innocent.
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09-16-2011 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by jungleman
This is a good point, and it references the shortcomings of so many poker players that cannot seem to grasp the simple fact that the other guy does not know the same things or necessarily think like themselves

Lol @ comparing the style of posts between parties to tell if they are guilty. Did the possibility not occur to you that all people, whether guilty or innocent, may post in this manner? Maybe do a little research before posting such accusatory things that have a very real chance of being complete bull****? Not to mention the fact that nothing says 'I AM NOT GUILTY' as strongly as composing a massive post defending yourself.

Personally I don't know if doosh is guilty or not, frankly nor do I care for that matter, but I have to feel for him if he is not. Everyone really should get involved in a scandal at some point (especially the sanctimonious ******s screaming bloody murder); it is literally impossible to defend yourself. The only way doosh really 'wins' is if 1. someone comes out and 'proves' he is not guilty, 2. he says sorry (whether he is guilty or not) or 3. a whole damn entourage backs him up. Him posting can only facilitate one of these things.
Thank you for that because it reminds me that your associates Dog is Head and Girah were eventually proved to be completely uninvolved in multiaccounting/ghosting, reputation building to facilitate frauds, and team viewer scams and frauds made possible by the earlier reputation building. Wait, that happened right?

Oh, I am sorry, just the opposite.
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09-16-2011 , 04:20 PM
OP can you explain to us monkeys why having 4 cards in a series unsuited would be a bad call in a vacuum and good if you knew your buddies cards?

some of those calls seem bad even if you are colluding

also can you explain how having someone in the middle is advantageous?
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09-16-2011 , 04:28 PM
$500/$1000 No Limit Holdem
2 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
BTN DooshCom ($22,988)
SB benkaremail ($5,000)

Pre-Flop: ($1,500, 2 players)
jnevanli folds, benkaremail goes all-in $5,000, DooshCom calls $4,000

Flop: 10 5 4 ($10,000, 1 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: Q ($10,000, 1 players, 1 all-in)

River: 4 ($10,000, 1 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $10,000
benkaremail shows
2 3
DooshCom shows
J 10

this is really the only hand I understand...he's got the worst hand possible and no FE so he's either on tilt, a fish who shouldn't get near the poker table with that much cash, or dumping
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09-16-2011 , 06:55 PM
Shoving ATC for 5bb isn't that huge of a mistake........ And lol at shoving less than Q8o being unprofitable.

http://www.holdemresources.net/hr/sngs/hune.html
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09-16-2011 , 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by cero_z
LOL gimme a fkn break with that thread, dude.
That thread seems very relevant, especially Doosh's response. It shows that a long winded detailed reply is the way he responds in a case where he wasn't guilty, and that he is very willing to make bizarre plays for non EV reasons.
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09-16-2011 , 11:52 PM
kids I think I've had enough scamming is a bad bluff
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09-17-2011 , 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by AceIsHigh
are you for real? he is shoving 100% of hands in any position except the small blind when he is folding 100%. its blatantly obvious that "shortstacked all in spots" have nothing to do with it, even more so after Doosh admitted that he basically did it because he is a dick. this says a lot about his character and thus it is necessary for the link to remain in this thread so people can see what sort of person Mr Darren Woods is.
You seem to have read the thread and yet not comprehended it. He made other seemingly ridiculous folds, as ZBTHorton pointed out multiple times. Also, I'm not denying Woods is a dick, but I guess it hasn't occurred to you that you aren't required to give your actual reasons for the plays you make in poker. When people ask me wtf I was thinking I usually tell them that trust fund babies play bad.
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09-17-2011 , 03:32 AM
So is there a reply from the accused yet? I cant find one anywhere on here amongst the 5 or so started threads regarding this so far.
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09-17-2011 , 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by TheFactory
So is there a reply from the accused yet? I cant find one anywhere on here amongst the 5 or so started threads regarding this so far.
LOL, post 77 & 85 in this thread, it's kind of a looong post, so I'm sure you'll find if you look really hard.
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09-17-2011 , 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Samdk77
LOL, post 77 & 85 in this thread, it's kind of a looong post, so I'm sure you'll find if you look really hard.
Cheers, I saw them now.

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09-17-2011 , 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Gareth888poker
Hi all,

As a Director at 888 and acquaintance to several of you, I want to update you with what actions are being taken by 888poker to look into this investigation. 888poker takes all fraud/collusion reports very seriously and have rigorous protocols to address any possible fraudulent activity that is reported. In regard to the activities highlighted in this thread, 888poker is looking into all the reported allegations and all parties determined affected will be notified individually of what actions are being taken.

888poker protocol is as follows:
• All accounts that are proven to be part of fraudulent activity have and/or will be blocked and the owners of those accounts will be notified. *Some accounts are still pending further investigation before final action will be taken
• Any funds that remain in Blocked accounts will be held
• If any game wins/losses are determined fraudulent, adequate compensation to effected players will be made if applicable.

To uphold the anonymity of all parties involved, further details of accounts, players and etc. cannot be publically reported. If 888poker determines that your account has been involved or effected, you will be notified directly.

I would like to thank all our players for alerting us about their concerns and we will continue to take all reports seriously and take appropriate action.

Gareth Edwards, Director at 888poker
blah blah blah

are you aware that sites offer rakeback to players on luckyace, 888 and other skins?

are you aware that the platinum affiliates and ufilliates are aware of this and sanction it because they make a hefty profit from the bigger players the subaffiliate to, yet close down the smaller ones due to violation of terms and conditions?

are you aware that they still preach no rakeback yet still allow it?

whatever I hear from 888 or any of their skins representatives makes me laugh
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09-17-2011 , 07:35 AM
Honestly, can you believe anything a poker site tells you these days, let alone the players who represent them.
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09-17-2011 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Adreno
So what is this, the 4th PokerStrategy coach caught frauding people? Is that site run by scammers?
We run 19 language communities with a total of several hundred coaches - it's close to impossible to 100%-check everyone.

And even if we tried: how could we find out such stuff before the victims / great analysers from the 2+2 community?

It's of course bad & also damages our reputation. But if you think it through, you probably come to the same conclusion as us: we cannot do much about it befrorehand, just react quickly of things happen.

If you think otherwise, I'd be open for suggestions on how to prevent such things from happening. My mail is lutz@pokerstrategy.com.

Best,
Lutz
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09-17-2011 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by tamiller866
Maybe I'm missing something, but in a game where all the action is taking place pre-flop almost any play can be rationalized and the rare one's that can't you can just claim miss-click, how would collusion ever be proven beyond a reasonable doubt?
I think you have this backwards. In a game where all of the action takes place preflop it is rarely possible to rationalize more than one action. Only in marginal cases is there any doubt what the best play is. If the deviations from optimal play consistently occur in a direction that is consistent with collusion, that is extremely damning.
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09-17-2011 , 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ike
I think you have this backwards. In a game where all of the action takes place preflop it is rarely possible to rationalize more than one action. Only in marginal cases is there any doubt what the best play is. If the deviations from optimal play consistently occur in a direction that is consistent with collusion, that is extremely damning.
Sure if you analyze individual hands, but what if your metagame strategy is to put the regs on tilt? Is it illegal to play like a dick or unethical to intentionally play in a way to make people think you might be colluding?

Hypothetically what if his metagame strategy was to softplay the 'fish' and squeeze the regs to open up their ranges. An individual hand analysis wouldn't seem like optimal play, and long term his graphs might look incriminating, but I can see where long term it could be profitable and certainly not illegal.

The guy could play like Robin hood, stealing EV from the regs and giving it to the fish. Analysis of his hands might then look damning but is that 'cheating'?
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09-17-2011 , 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerStrategy
We run 19 language communities with a total of several hundred coaches - it's close to impossible to 100%-check everyone.

And even if we tried: how could we find out such stuff before the victims / great analysers from the 2+2 community?

It's of course bad & also damages our reputation. But if you think it through, you probably come to the same conclusion as us: we cannot do much about it befrorehand, just react quickly of things happen.

If you think otherwise, I'd be open for suggestions on how to prevent such things from happening. My mail is lutz@pokerstrategy.com.

Best,
Lutz

lol thats the online winning formula. set up shop and take maneys. worry bout un-enforcable problems later
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