I did read some and although Alex Jacob, for instance, made some excellent points, there are way to many indicators that mahatma was far too wide open to fold top2 playing effectively 120BB...

What I don't understand about the comments to this hand is why noone mentioned that, were mahatma to play this specific line in unexploitable fashion, with the correct proportion of bluffs and strong hands, he would not have enough strong hands in all the other lines he takes to be balanced.

So if mahatma does this with alot of his QJ hands, he would have to balance with a ton of sets, which means he can't raise the flop with his sets in balanced fashion because he's saving too many of them to make this play on the turn, which means if this hand is the same except he raises flop, he is bluffing. If instead he calls flop and then he just calls turn, then you know he doesn't have a set and you can make big bluffs on the river.

Also, if QJ and sets is all he does this with on the turn, even if he does these in the correct frequencies to be unexploitable, then it makes river easy to play when an A or 9 hits cause you know he's got the straight or a set.

<3 this thread so much.

D+

did we ever find the results?

Yes. You should have read the thread, they are in the first pages. Hero snap called and ran into the nutties.

did people even 3x overbet bluff back in these days?

This is the first thread I ever read on 2p2. Read it for like a month before realizing there were other forums heh.

seems like the overbet is designed to only be called by a specific range of hands AA, AK, KK. If hero has KQ, he isn't going to call off with the A river so there are no implied odds to really betting river that make that turn donk money, when hero has AK however, the implied odds are so high that shoving is not only probably very +EV, but also is the only way to make that turn donk semi-bluff profitable as well. Nicely played.

In summary if he did have QJ and semi-bluffed turn he has to shove river regardless of the outcome. The fact that the river was one of his outs is a bonus. Hero either has the second nuts here with a set or two pair or has such a weak range that there isn't really a value sizing that villain really cares about.

This thread proves that spiritrock was the game back in the day

This thread is almost a decade old. Wp.

Insta call. Never fold AK . Probably his range is pretty wet

looks like shaniac was spewing pretty hard in 05 cash

no esp not out of position, this bet is at minimum a set

Sik

Just read all 20 pages.. Goes back 10 years..

Some really great stuff here

lol confirmed Prahlad never overbet bluffed during this time period.

Any thoughts on why he donked the turn? Maybe I'm too 50nl but I can't see why anyone would donk a turn unless they can rep it in their range but this turn or if it wets the board and this turn doesn't seem to do that.

Also, are there any other river cards he over shoves with besides the 9?

Wonder how many more years?

Really wish AJ would start posting again....

What an era.

Nostalgia...

"Rejoice O young man in thy youth..."

LOL dibbs back in Jan. 2009 had *no idea*




...I got here -- a thread started mid-2005 -- today via http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...l#post16199647

Back when there was good strat discussion on 2+2!

LOL easy call. you have AK

who is this fish posting this btw . I'd love to play him HU