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5/10 NLHE KK 300bbs deep 5/10 NLHE KK 300bbs deep

08-16-2015 , 08:01 PM
150 bbs deep this is an easy 4-bet, happily get it in spot.
08-16-2015 , 10:31 PM
Why do you think you're 300 deep? Biggest blind bet is 20.
08-16-2015 , 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Socom
Why do you think you're 300 deep? Biggest blind bet is 20.
This is only half true. While you are technically correct that the straddle makes the game have less BBs, it still won't play as loose as a regular 10/20 game as players are only paying $15 an orbit and tend to be nittier because of this.
08-25-2015 , 11:33 AM
-4bet, because
*you want him to put more money in the pot with (jj/qq/1010’s)
*you said you can foldout ak ,if an ace comes , you shouldnt be too worried about it
*better than calling his 3b and seeing an ace flop, and getting value owned on either flop/turn/river by him having ak and hitting his ace
*he’ll basically play his 4b calling range (qq/jj/1010) for set value /no set no bet mentality


-Dont 3b because
*you may be less inclined to get away from 1bet or even 2bets on the flop/turn/river when an ace hits

*if the flop comes, qxx, jxx,10xx high you may be put in some tough spots facing two barrels or maybe even 3.. as a result of him
a.trying to either take the pot down with ak as a bluff ,(if he’s a thinking player , i wouldnt put it passed the realm of possibilities)
b.or him taking you to value town on multiple streets with his sets and you not really knowing where your at
08-25-2015 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Pots-For-Sale
I would have a very polar 4 betting range here. A2-A5s and maybe Sometimes AT or AJ. As for value Id probably go with KK+ AK.

Also disagree that since he may respect your game that he never bluffs you here. I do think his range is polarized and that he's not likely 3 betting a hand like KQ or AJ for value.
thats an interesting addition to a polarized 4b range
08-25-2015 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by highhustla
I think pre should be bigger.

What is hero's 4-bet range here, and what does villain think hero's 4-bet range is?

What is villain's 5-bet range? Would you expect him to flat call a 4-bet with AA?

If villain knows our 4-bet range is KK+, then I'd say we need to expand our 4-bet range but just call this time.

If villain's 5-bet range is only AA, then I'd say we should 4-bet and fold to a 5-bet.

I don't see what's so horrible about getting AK to fold, or making JJ or QQ put more money into the pot while they're behind.

It sucks that we're OOP, but button doesn't necessarily want to play for 300bb with one pair, either, so it's not like we have to play for stacks after we see a flop in a 4-bet pot this deep.

what hands would you expand your 4b range with, small suited ace's or small suited connectors
08-25-2015 , 12:34 PM
Great question, I'd love to hear some opinions on that.

I guess aces are better since you have the ace blocker, and a 4b or 5b represents AA so strongly at these stakes live. I think suited connectors are sexy to mix in there at some small frequency, though, especially if villain can 3b light or fold JJ to a 4bet.
08-25-2015 , 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by highhustla
Great question, I'd love to hear some opinions on that.

I guess aces are better since you have the ace blocker, and a 4b or 5b represents AA so strongly at these stakes live. I think suited connectors are sexy to mix in there at some small frequency, though, especially if villain can 3b light or fold JJ to a 4bet.
I'd probably experiment with a combo of
A2s/a3s 8 combos
And 67s 4 combos
08-25-2015 , 02:30 PM
I also like AK as a 4b or 5b bluff.

I think I also like adding in A4s, A5s, 45s, 78s, etc., but again, only when I think the spot is good (e.g., I'm definitely not 4betting any of those 100% of the time, but sometimes the spot is just right, and in that case, I don't really care whether I have 45s, 56s, or 67s).
08-25-2015 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by highhustla
I also like AK as a 4b or 5b bluff.

I think I also like adding in A4s, A5s, 45s, 78s, etc., but again, only when I think the spot is good (e.g., I'm definitely not 4betting any of those 100% of the time, but sometimes the spot is just right, and in that case, I don't really care whether I have 45s, 56s, or 67s).
agree, definitely depends on villain and situation

      
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