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10-26-2016 , 12:29 AM
Holy hell, live nl1k is like a stone age of poker.
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10-28-2016 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Timhvids
I don't understand, majority are saying that we should check flop. Disclaimer: I don't play anywhere near these stakes, so I'm really curious as to why a cbet is out of the question here? We have position, and an overpair is well within the range of hands we would have, so I don't see why we aren't cbetting. If we had JJ-AA we would, but because we decided to play 33 we aren't? If we are never checking this flop with over pairs, why are we checking and giving up the pot here, basically turning our hand face up?

Or is the big 'cbetting' issue the players we are playing against?
Overpairs should check back this flop for pot control. The reason being that you don't want to Cbet $60, get x/raised to $200, face a turn barrel of $400 and a river barrel of $1000. That's why the only hands that should be Cbetting a T92 2-tone flop are draws, sets and 2 pair combos.
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10-30-2016 , 08:25 AM
i dont think SB folds here. river bet looks super strong.

the only argument that you have is that the bluff raise looks super strong, but it makes no sense to me because youre not repping a boat because why would you check turn with every draw on the board? Youre repping a flush that someone else has.
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11-08-2016 , 09:33 AM
Check flop, as played fold river.
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11-08-2016 , 03:46 PM
X/F flop. This flop is really bad for your range and hits at least one of them almost always.

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11-08-2016 , 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Overpairs should check back this flop for pot control. The reason being that you don't want to Cbet $60, get x/raised to $200, face a turn barrel of $400 and a river barrel of $1000. That's why the only hands that should be Cbetting a T92 2-tone flop are draws, sets and 2 pair combos.
I disagree that an over pair shouldn't bet here. I think we get value from hands like JT alot and draws. There are alot of bad cards that can come OTT so we wanna get money in early. Also if we're only value betting sets and 2pair here, we're way over bluffing with all our flush and straight draws.

The flop is a check because we will he getting called a ton (which is why we should certainly bet overpairs) and we have basically no equity.

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11-11-2016 , 07:24 AM
I think its a pretty interesting spot to bluff. I think what we are repping isn't that important though. If v's have a ten or worse they are folding almost always. Flushes not so much and maybe even straights. Depends how big V's fold buttons are here. MW this seems dangerous though. Any idea what the 1/2 pot bet otr could mean from sb? I would never bluff like this but a part of me actually likes it. I feel like most V's are going for more value with boats/ broadway flushes. How wide is sb calling pre? Seems like it would be really hard to say whether its ok without being more familiar with the gameflow and how thin and how big sb would go for value here.
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12-23-2016 , 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Timhvids
I don't understand, majority are saying that we should check flop. Disclaimer: I don't play anywhere near these stakes, so I'm really curious as to why a cbet is out of the question here? We have position, and an overpair is well within the range of hands we would have, so I don't see why we aren't cbetting. If we had JJ-AA we would, but because we decided to play 33 we aren't? If we are never checking this flop with over pairs, why are we checking and giving up the pot here, basically turning our hand face up?

Or is the big 'cbetting' issue the players we are playing against?
If you're Cbetting this board with 33 you're basically Cbetting your entire range, The board smashes the PF caller's range and it's multiway. This Cbet is close to never getting through and we're essentially bluffing with 2 outs.
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12-26-2016 , 01:50 PM
dont cbet this flop. Now fold
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12-30-2016 , 03:28 PM
i am not cbetting this flop even against only one player.
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01-10-2017 , 12:53 PM
I don't think many boats are in our range and both SB and BB both have a lot of flushes and straights in their range. I think had hero opted for a bet on turn we would have likely been raised. With given ranges i think this is just a fold i don't think we are going to get both blinds to fold very often with a raise.
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01-16-2017 , 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Timhvids
I don't understand, majority are saying that we should check flop. Disclaimer: I don't play anywhere near these stakes, so I'm really curious as to why a cbet is out of the question here? We have position, and an overpair is well within the range of hands we would have, so I don't see why we aren't cbetting. If we had JJ-AA we would, but because we decided to play 33 we aren't? If we are never checking this flop with over pairs, why are we checking and giving up the pot here, basically turning our hand face up?

Or is the big 'cbetting' issue the players we are playing against?
The calling ranges of both the SB and BB should hit that flop a decent amount of the time. You aren't getting them to fold any 10 or 9 as well as all flush draws or straight draws. Too many hands call you on that flop and you have terrible equity going into the turn, you are essentially drawing to a 3. Also someone playing these stakes should be able to float you in certain pots putting you in tricky situation on later streets.
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01-24-2017 , 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by urien|xs
Anytime there is a multi-way showdown, the 2nd person to call the river bet usually has a solid hand if not the winning hand (obviously no bluffs) due to the fact that they know there's a 3rd person still in the hand. The only hand that a pair of 3's beats is Ace high and bluffs, and I mentioned the 2nd villian will have no bluffs in his range at showdown in a multiway river.

River is a easy muck for sure.

Standard ABC poker play

1. raise pre
2. standard cbet in position
3. turn check is fine due to board texture
4. V1 bets, V2 calls, you muck
first he is not saying what hand he could beat, he is saying if he can represent the nuts flush.

Second, why you are going to cbet that flop? you are going to win the pot ? what are u representing ?. sb and bb for sure can have a double par, a straight draw a flush draw.

i think the way to play the hand is:

1. raise pre
2. check
3. check
4. fold

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Originally Posted by Timhvids
I don't understand, majority are saying that we should check flop. Disclaimer: I don't play anywhere near these stakes, so I'm really curious as to why a cbet is out of the question here? We have position, and an overpair is well within the range of hands we would have, so I don't see why we aren't cbetting. If we had JJ-AA we would, but because we decided to play 33 we aren't? If we are never checking this flop with over pairs, why are we checking and giving up the pot here, basically turning our hand face up?

Or is the big 'cbetting' issue the players we are playing against?
well is a little bit different to play AA to play 33, with 33 any 9 and any 10 are calling you and you have a really weak showdown.

If you have AA KK QQ JJ definetly you are betting extracting value from 9s 10s draws, so your comparision is not good at all.

op: You can represent a big flush, the point is %80 of the time you will be call

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02-07-2017 , 01:54 PM
I think they're both repping flushes (or boats). It makes sense that they'd check/call the flop with flush draws. It makes sense that they'd want to check the turn. It makes sense that SB would bet the river, and that BB would call instead of raising, because TT/99 are in everyone's range (and would have a boat, beating the flush). BB definitely doesn't have the boat, he'd raise with it. I also don't think anyone's betting/calling here with top/mid pair, especially considering it isn't heads up. As for QJ and T9 being in their ranges, maybe, but they'd probably be betting these hands more than they'd be checking to trap.

As for bluffing the river, as others have said, a big raise over the top would indeed be seen as an incredibly strong move. I think you could rep a good flush or a boat. It'd make sense that you'd want to check the turn to let them catch up. However, I think they have pretty good hands too and I am skeptical that you could get BOTH of them to fold.

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