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5/10 NL:  evaluate river bluff 5/10 NL:  evaluate river bluff

02-13-2016 , 03:31 AM
Live 5/10, 9 handed.

My image is solid/tight due to being card dead. I bluffed SB a week ago and showed a 3 and he was a little upset about getting bluffed, pot was ~1k)

I raise 30 with 33 in MP.
SB & BB call. 3 ways.

SB ( semi reg,competent small/med size winner in this game )

BB ( rec player, pretty abc, saw him call down light w top pair in HU pots)

SB - 1600
BB - 5000
Me - 1800

Flop: 10c 9c 2h

Checks to me, Hero bets 65. Both call.

Turn: 8s. We all check .

River: 2c.

SB leads for $130, BB calls quickly.

Hero raises $500? (Or mucks? :/ )

Would this be a profitable bluff ? Can we reasonably rep a flush / boat ?
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02-17-2016 , 04:48 AM
No, and check flop.
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03-10-2016 , 06:31 AM
Even if your ahead on the flop you cannot afford increase the pot since only a 3 gives you a safe hand. There are two strong draws and 10/9 are in their range. It's a check on the flop and then safely fold. Don't know if your serious to bluff on that river with a better and a caller. The flush is pretty obvious. Representing a boat doesent make sense since you checked to two callers on the turn.
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03-10-2016 , 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Kssian
Even if your ahead on the flop you cannot afford increase the pot since only a 3 gives you a safe hand. There are two strong draws and 10/9 are in their range. It's a check on the flop and then safely fold. Don't know if your serious to bluff on that river with a better and a caller. The flush is pretty obvious. Representing a boat doesent make sense since you checked to two callers on the turn.
With a better and a caller a huge raise looks even stronger
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03-11-2016 , 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Discipline12
With a better and a caller a huge raise looks even stronger
Looks stronger, u mean like reverse psichology? May be. Not used to play those limits tbh. For me its pretty risky to bluff there. If v's scan the play, the check on the turn with a set doesent make much sense.
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03-14-2016 , 11:15 PM
op, you must be an incredibly tricky player in order to think this raise will get credit after you checked the turn behind in position.
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03-16-2016 , 08:25 AM
I think you're repping flushes and boats pretty well, but the problem is sb's most likely holding is a flush as well...he's probably not folding a flush to you here.
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03-16-2016 , 12:07 PM
looks good to me. Looks extremely strong, and could possibly fold out some small flushes.
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03-23-2016 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Kssian
Even if your ahead on the flop you cannot afford increase the pot since only a 3 gives you a safe hand. There are two strong draws and 10/9 are in their range. It's a check on the flop and then safely fold. Don't know if your serious to bluff on that river with a better and a caller. The flush is pretty obvious. Representing a boat doesent make sense since you checked to two callers on the turn.

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Originally Posted by Discipline12
With a better and a caller a huge raise looks even stronger


with a better or a bettor?
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03-23-2016 , 07:17 PM
Hero folds. Stop trying to get people off of strong ranges; save your money.
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03-26-2016 , 01:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Pro Playa
Live 5/10, 9 handed.

My image is solid/tight due to being card dead. I bluffed SB a week ago and showed a 3 and he was a little upset about getting bluffed, pot was ~1k)

I raise 30 with 33 in MP.
SB & BB call. 3 ways.

SB ( semi reg,competent small/med size winner in this game )

BB ( rec player, pretty abc, saw him call down light w top pair in HU pots)

SB - 1600
BB - 5000
Me - 1800

Flop: 10c 9c 2h

Checks to me, Hero bets 65. Both call.

Turn: 8s. We all check .

River: 2c.

SB leads for $130, BB calls quickly.

Hero raises $500? (Or mucks? :/ )

Would this be a profitable bluff ? Can we reasonably rep a flush / boat ?
No , this isn't a good spot to bluff with this type of hand and on this type of river facing this kind of action.
I don't think you get that much credit for a big hand.
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04-01-2016 , 02:20 PM
I don't think you're ever repping a boat or flush here.

Bad spot to bluff.
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04-28-2016 , 08:12 PM
Anytime there is a multi-way showdown, the 2nd person to call the river bet usually has a solid hand if not the winning hand (obviously no bluffs) due to the fact that they know there's a 3rd person still in the hand. The only hand that a pair of 3's beats is Ace high and bluffs, and I mentioned the 2nd villian will have no bluffs in his range at showdown in a multiway river.

River is a easy muck for sure.

Standard ABC poker play

1. raise pre
2. standard cbet in position
3. turn check is fine due to board texture
4. V1 bets, V2 calls, you muck
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05-14-2016 , 05:55 AM
i dont know why you would try to bluff somebody like the big blind that you even said will call down light with top pair... this type of player would obviously call down light with a flush / straight even if you you had a boat... theyd put you on the boat and still call.... i mean against two super nits i think this is a good play but not against these players you described
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05-17-2016 , 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by urien|xs
Anytime there is a multi-way showdown, the 2nd person to call the river bet usually has a solid hand if not the winning hand (obviously no bluffs) due to the fact that they know there's a 3rd person still in the hand. The only hand that a pair of 3's beats is Ace high and bluffs, and I mentioned the 2nd villian will have no bluffs in his range at showdown in a multiway river.

River is a easy muck for sure.

Standard ABC poker play

1. raise pre
2. standard cbet in position
3. turn check is fine due to board texture
4. V1 bets, V2 calls, you muck
not sure if cbet is standard here can't see it going through often
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06-21-2016 , 07:29 PM
Any kind of bluff on the river look "WTF?" Like what are you trying to represent... 22/99/TT that was scared of exactly QJ on the turn? You said the SB is competent and the BB calls light so it will almost never succeed.
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08-19-2016 , 02:54 AM
Would checking on the flop be the best play here ? That board smashes the range of two PFC, really dont think you are getting a ton of folds on the flop, which I assume is what you are after ? As for the river, probably best to muck IMO, the BB flatting, with you still to act would suggest at the very worst he has a strong 10 or a 10 9 type of two pair which probably isn't folding if you know he overplays top pair and thats not taking into consideration that the SB has some flushes in his range.
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08-22-2016 , 02:41 PM
OP what was your river thought process? What do you think the bottom of SB's value betting range is?
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08-25-2016 , 01:59 PM
is very ambitious but i have to say:

''No, and check flop.'' +1

i don't like bluffing 3 way like this
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09-18-2016 , 02:24 PM
Preflop is a little questionable but since fish is BB I guess it is okay.

Flop bet is throwing away money at an alarming rate. Don't be the guy that cbets 100% of the time - and if you're betting this then you're that guy! Even in a heads up pot this cbet would be questionable.

River is a big spew. Given what your flop bet range is (opening wide from MP, cbetting far too often) nobody should give you credit here. Besides that, you're trying to get them off strong hands here - straights flushes and some full houses. Trying to get people off these types of hands while being insanely imbalanced is not a good plan.
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09-30-2016 , 03:05 PM
Hero folds and tries again the next hand, bad spot to try and take a pot down, only getting called or raised with a better hand and seeing BB / Villain is a pretty straight forward player, I don't see him snap calling with nothing, nor folding sitting on 5k being a rec player that often goes to SD w pairs, I want to get in better spots to take this guys stack
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10-06-2016 , 04:10 AM
Hell no.
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10-06-2016 , 04:18 PM
If you are bluffing here, you are trying to get a flush to fold which means your raise better be much higher than $500.

Either way, when I'm trying to pull off a bluff - I try to not get hands like a flush to fold, doesn't seem like a good long term play. I'd rather use my bluffs to get top pair or at best, two pairs to fold.
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10-16-2016 , 01:00 AM
I don't understand, majority are saying that we should check flop. Disclaimer: I don't play anywhere near these stakes, so I'm really curious as to why a cbet is out of the question here? We have position, and an overpair is well within the range of hands we would have, so I don't see why we aren't cbetting. If we had JJ-AA we would, but because we decided to play 33 we aren't? If we are never checking this flop with over pairs, why are we checking and giving up the pot here, basically turning our hand face up?

Or is the big 'cbetting' issue the players we are playing against?
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10-21-2016 , 01:04 PM
They would have to think you're a very tricky/tight player to bet into two people and hope for a fold. If your image is THAT tight, MAYBE a fold. But I still doubt either V is folding a strong flush here. Raising here is -EV IMO.


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