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5/10 NL:  300bb deep, tough river spot 5/10 NL:  300bb deep, tough river spot

10-25-2015 , 05:50 AM
Casino game, 5/10 NL.
V1 is tight solid reg type.
V2 is a friend, thinks I'm a LAG, capable of moves, we have some history of bluffing each other in small pots.

2 limps, V1 raises to 50 in MP, 2 callers ,v2 calls from button, I 3b to 250 from SB w 10d9d, only V2 calls from button.

V1 2k
V2 4K
Hero 3k

Flop: As 10s 9h

I bet 360, V2 calls after thinking 30 secs.

Turn: 8c

I check. V2 bets 825 quickly.

Hero thinks for 1 min, calls.

River: 5h

I check after some thought. V2 jams after thinking 1 min.

Thoughts on turn and river play ?

Thx
10-25-2015 , 06:28 AM
i think pre could just be a fold depending on how bad/deep the other players are that called pre. 3betting V1 (tight solid reg) who raised 2 limpers up front w/ your hand and position kinda just puts you in bad spots all over (V1 is at least calling the 3bet with his entire range here and surely you can find better spots than playing 300bb 3bet pots against these types of guys oop).

as played i think the only hand you beat that V2 would play for value here is AK (but he would prob 3bet pre w/ this hand a lot yes since he's btn?)

i don't like the 3bet pre but as played i like the flop bet and turn check call. river is a fold. this is a lot of money to get in as a bluff at 5-10 and other good players that take this line this deep is always just so nuttish. your hand looks like a minimum of AK and it really looks like your calling down so when he stuffs river he has you toasted.
10-25-2015 , 04:51 PM
Bit small of a repop pre. Making it exactly what it is.

I fold or c/r turn but if I call, I tankcall riv.
11-26-2015 , 04:04 PM
Do it Doug !!!!!!
11-29-2015 , 09:46 PM
Pretty sure this is a call.

Our hand is very underepped considering we 3! pre, our range looks capped at almost exclusively AK/AQ. V likely knows this and should be capable of trying to barrell us off of TPTK on board textures such as this. Since we infact flopped bottom 2 and are blocking all but 2 combos of sets, we're basically only losing to QJ or some sort of FD+GS combo. I suppose he might have ATs/A9s but we're also blocking those and it's unlikely in his 3! calling range.
We might have 99/TT in our range as well which we'd probably play the same way, not sure that's too relevant though.

Unless you have a reason to believe V isn't capable of shoving 200bb without the nuts on the river, which I imagine any competent player at 5/10 is able to do vs a perceptually capped range.
11-30-2015 , 09:05 PM
Then this isn't a poker hand, but chikins.
12-01-2015 , 01:05 AM
Like turn check a lot from GTO balance perspective but against some players may just be more profitable to go for 3 streets. Against this guy I like the check with a plan to bomb river for value if he checks back.

Weird spot where we are under repped and look week and the river is a massive scare card for our range and villain overbet jams, (assume this is an overbet as i don't wanna do the math). looks like he is trying to bluff us as idk what he thinks he is getting called by but may he just has a flush and wants to bet a lot. QJ was a worry but some people won't bet so big on river with it, even tho it is always best here. You know villain better so you can make the best call. I mean we look capped to AK at best and seems like we can never call this. Just gotta figure out what level your friend is on and only you can really do that.
12-01-2015 , 08:31 AM
In my experience live, exploitably folding spots like this on the river has been massively effective against people that I haven't categorized as "capable of bluffing in large pots" for 300 bbs... Since u only know he dabbles around in small pots, let him have it... I literally never fold, but I'm not calling this one without more info that ur opponent is a world class live sicko.
12-01-2015 , 10:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by YGOchamp
Unless you have a reason to believe V isn't capable of shoving 200bb without the nuts on the river, which I imagine any competent player at 5/10 is able to do vs a perceptually capped range.
Hero only has about 150 bb left.. the shove is half the pot.
12-03-2015 , 03:28 PM
Why would he shove here if he wants you to call? Does the shove not seem like a bet he doesn't want you to call? If he thinks he has you beat wouldn't he bet smaller for value?
12-04-2015 , 02:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ActionFreak
Hero only has about 150 bb left.. the shove is half the pot.
Okay, so 150 bb instead of 200. That doesn't change my comment whatsoever.
12-05-2015 , 01:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by YGOchamp
Pretty sure this is a call.

Our hand is very underepped considering we 3! pre, our range looks capped at almost exclusively AK/AQ. V likely knows this and should be capable of trying to barrell us off of TPTK on board textures such as this. Since we infact flopped bottom 2 and are blocking all but 2 combos of sets, we're basically only losing to QJ or some sort of FD+GS combo. I suppose he might have ATs/A9s but we're also blocking those and it's unlikely in his 3! calling range.
We might have 99/TT in our range as well which we'd probably play the same way, not sure that's too relevant though.

Unless you have a reason to believe V isn't capable of shoving 200bb without the nuts on the river, which I imagine any competent player at 5/10 is able to do vs a perceptually capped range.
I agree with all of this. Their are to many bluff combos here along with some 1 pair hands turned into bluffs to fold unless villain has proven to not be a competent reg.
12-05-2015 , 07:00 AM
Seems like there are many bluffs he could have. JJ crossed my mind as a likely candidate to bet turn after you check. There are FD + SD combos like KJ of spades.

How wide does villain go all in on river for value? Would he ever have worse than A 10? I think it would make it easier to fold if he would go for thinner value. He could prettily easily have aces up. If his value range comprises only top tier hands like sets and straights then it would seem to be an easier call because his range is more polarized toward really good hands or bluffs.

I think on the turn he could have a pretty good hand and want to protect. He could have a set and betting because a three straight came.

Tough spot.
12-06-2015 , 04:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ActionJeff
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Don't miss the door when you pee in the doorway.

Last edited by BigBadBabar; 12-10-2015 at 12:11 AM.
12-08-2015 , 05:12 AM
Thank you for your brilliant insight Jeff
12-09-2015 , 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ActionJeff
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Seriously?? Please explain why you think it was so poor.

Last edited by BigBadBabar; 12-10-2015 at 12:11 AM.

      
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