Hey guys. Very interesting spot came up a few days ago at the aria 5/10. I play 5/10 for a living but due to bankroll matters usually play at the Bellagio (1500 cap) so I'm not that used to playing this deep.

About me: I have clean image and don't know any of the regs at the table. I've played a few hands but haven't had any showdowns that gave away real info.

Villain: Villain is insanely aggressive. He is a reg at this game and his aggression is more spewy than calculated. From previous hands I've played he massively overplays thin value hands, so when he is betting potsize on turn/river he will show up with lots of thin value hands and not be polarized in spots where he 'should' be polar. I saw him 3b A3 from MP, then triple barrel 3/4 pot on AT2K3 runout and get stacked by AT. At this point in the session he is down 3-6k.


Straddle pot. Eff stacks $3200
Villain opens to $70 from MP
Folds to me in the SB with JJ

First question. Is this an okay spot to just flat pre and go for c/c three streets plan on most runouts?

I 3b to $240. In hindsight this sizing is a bit too small.
Villain calls.

Flop 89Q

Villain is going to have 2 TJs combos, 12 sets, and a lot of AQo/AQs

I check and villain bets $350. I call. Pot is now $1010
Turn 4
I check, villain bets $740

What do? Its annoying because I obviously block two of the nut combos but I have no idea if he has QQ in his range. I also block a lot of bluffs like KJs and AJs that he might use.

The thing is, I know he is going to be bombing this with hands like KQ,AQ from what I've seen so far, so I consider turning my hand into a bluff since I hard block the nuts. But on the other hand I can't imagine he thinks I would play TJs this way.

Really uncomfortable spot

maniac and very aggressive reg are a bit different.,
If you think he is a maniac, close your eyes and call turn and pretty much any river besides a king

If you think he's a decent very aggressive reg, fold.

Muck to V's aggressive swell. Stack in a more definitive spot.

V can only have 9 sets otf btw. Not that it matters all that much to your decision.

Him value betting thinly probably makes this a fold more than most, though probably folding the turn a lot of the time vs most villains anyway.

maybe dont 3bet JJ pre if you fold vs a maniac on 1 overcard, esp deep+oop?

Maybe not that horrible like KK on Ahi board, but def a tough spot.
I look for any tells this guy may give and decide

If villain is who I think it is I'm seeing 5.

Care to elaborate? I don't expect you to namedrop anyone in this thread ofc, but would be interesting to hear some more thoughts. Though I ran the numbers through flopzilla and it looks like we are getting odds to call turn if we think villain will barrel like this with AJs and ATs type hands as well.

vs a range of 99-88,AQo,AQs-ATs,KQs-KTs,JTs we have a staggering 38% equity on the turn. So if thats the case it looks like this is a definite call. But I'm not sure if villain plays ATs/AJs like this and our call is massively dependent on those extra combos of junk.

Against this player i like betting the flop. It keeps out range uncapped and there is definatly still value. AP against this player you have to call turn. You still have a GS and your hand just look way too weak to give up so easily.

The combos are there. It's not pure junk tho, it's gonna be snugger to the gutshot than your JJ is (both ends of the draw) so it's either call down the pair and happily pay off river 6's because you now know a lot more about V than you used to.

ATs/AJs he might petulantly check turn just to set up A hi riv calls. Goose, gander.

After 3Betting PF, why wouldn't we Cbet this flop??

he checks every worse hand and bets every better than yours hand when you check to him and there are also kk aa possibility people always seem to forget

Really, so you think if you check to him he is never betting with worse on that flop?

And he is always betting with better?

Those are pretty easy assumptions to exploit as an opponent, no?

depending on history with this V, i would consider raise/folding the flop. would end up being cheaper the c/c all the way.


As Played, i fold the turn

As played and as described, stop letting this 1 hand and this 1 player eat at you.

If you wouldn't have seen him spazz out w/ A3 earlier this hand wouldn't even be in your mind.

You describe yourself as, what I assume, a full time player. And admittedly w/ some bank roll issues. Sometimes weird and aggressive players get lucky, often times they over value weak hands, and sometimes they're simply too dumb to fold or let off the gas pedal.

As a fulltime player its important to be a long-term *winning* player. Stop letting this one hand and this player take up space in you head. Muck the turn and mentally muck this one hand/player, its time to move onto the next cycle.......

What the f**k kind of advice is that?

This portion of the forums is designated for the exact purpose of posting hands you were unsure of, and seeking advice to try and improve your game.

But your comment is to "move on bro, hand is over".

Hey just move on from that post bro.

AP ch/f turn. And I agree above with distinction of over aggressive/overplays vs maniac. Double barreling A3 on ATxx just means the guy overvalued his hand with a turn bet (could have been trying to shake off draws) but he still double barreled top pair in a 3bet pot. Would be different if you saw him double barrel JQ on ATxx in which case you happily call turn here

The correct play is to fold the turn.

The reason is opportunity cost.

You can make a good argument for why your equity warrants a call here given what you know of the villain / his wide range; but the question is not whether you ought make a crying check-call due to a possible slight +ev here, but rather, can you reasonably assume that you can find a much better / significantly more profitable spot against this opponent (or at the table more generally) in the near enough future. Of course we have to make many assumptions (eg villain is inclined to bet into you like he/she did with A3), but I think the answer is yes ... this isn't a tournament or anything. Why make the game harder than it has to be

That said, if you could do it over, (as you noted) make a larger 3bet pre-flop, and c bet the flop. If he raises fold. If he calls, check call turn. Check fold big river bet, call smallish bet.

you said you aren't used to playing this deep but its a straddled pot 3200 effective so its very similar to your usual game