Originally Posted by riverdog

hi jonas,

ya we're just visualizing different opponents/game conditions. def agree with the adjustments for tight vs. loose opening ranges. most of my poker over the past 10 years has been in home games against weaker lineups than the old Commerce $10-20, let alone the $20-40, where the main problem was overcoming $15-20/hand average rakes while playing LAG. against opponents who get signif stickier in big pots as you describe, i like the lowest open in 5-10-20-40 that fits the high open raise size dynamic of the game.

too bad not many hands are posted anymore here.

Originally Posted by invid

6 handed game with one nutbag with 20k+ stack with everyone else about ~5k. villain in hand has played a few orbits..he said he came to play the 40/80 limit but somehow ended up in this game (whatever)..

so villain has less than 5k..hero covers

folds to hero with 64 on the button who makes it $180. Villain in straddle calls..rest fold.

flop 44J

v bets $275. now usually I'm just calling here but v seems pretty bad and we are pretty deep so hero raises to $800. he's no way folding a J here. v thinks for like 30 seconds and calls


turn T

V asks how much I have...tell him I cover and he counts out 2k in bills and grabs some blacks and bets $2,400

hero????

Originally Posted by invid

i think its pointless to argue about the open. ill take the argument that its +ev any day of the week to continue with the norm of the game for max value. a "normal" open of ~90 would get everyone else to call and i dont know if thats what I want with my hand especially when i wanted to iso this player

Originally Posted by riverdog

what i say i do: just shove. 2K pot he bets 2400 your "call" would make it 6800 with 1k-1.5k behind. no need to goof around just get it all in.

what i really do: size him up and decide if i feel strongly that he has a strong hand (4 or better) which he is playing weirdly, then fold or shove, and here it would be a shove a huge majority of the time.

as for the open, if they are fit-or-fold flops players and you can bet, say, 200 into the flop and achieve your outcome, then the 180 open is fine imo if the blinds aren't 3-bet happy. you're happy with more money in pre. also if you can double-barrel accurately and they aren't 3-bet happy. also if 120 (with 40 straddle) would get significantly more calls than 180 and they aren't 3-bet happy, and your button range contains many weak hands, which raising with 64s would suggest. also with those stacks if they ARE 3-bet happy and you're good at reading preflop weakness, then you welcome the 3-bets because you can 4-bet steal enough to make it straight-up profitable.

in general i have found in these revved-up games opponents are nearly indifferent to preflop raise size once a size becomes "standard." it's then up to you to decide whether the larger raise size works for you. on the button here there are circumstances where it makes sense. plus being "that guy" who raises less than everyone else pre can impact your earn negatively: most importantly, it can encourage players to play a lot better since it's kind of a neon sign saying "I AM TAKING THIS SERIOUSLY." you want the middling players happily gambling and playing too many hands preflop for too much money without the lead.

Originally Posted by txdome

pretty obv bbv post disguised as a strategy post, bro.