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Old 07-22-2012, 03:56 AM   #1
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5/10/20 at the venetian......sanity check

6 handed game with one nutbag with 20k+ stack with everyone else about ~5k. villain in hand has played a few orbits..he said he came to play the 40/80 limit but somehow ended up in this game (whatever)..

so villain has less than 5k..hero covers

folds to hero with 64 on the button who makes it $180. Villain in straddle calls..rest fold.

flop 44J

v bets $275. now usually I'm just calling here but v seems pretty bad and we are pretty deep so hero raises to $800. he's no way folding a J here. v thinks for like 30 seconds and calls


turn T

V asks how much I have...tell him I cover and he counts out 2k in bills and grabs some blacks and bets $2,400

hero????
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Old 07-22-2012, 05:26 AM   #2
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Re: 5/10/20 at the venetian......sanity check

I never go to this forum but I played live poker for the second time in 2 years yesterday so I am uniquely qualified to comment.

easiest call of all time. (assuming thats basically all in with described stacks)

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you lose to A4 K4 and Q4, if he even can have those. plus you have outs against them. he can be bluffing here.
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Old 07-22-2012, 06:59 AM   #3
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Re: 5/10/20 at the venetian......sanity check

with your insanely huge pf open (9x?) what you are doing is inflating the pot huge so now that you get what you wanted you seem to not feel comfortable with all the action you created.

since the guy prob has J10 here almost always id just shove turn and not open 9x pre next time.
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Old 07-22-2012, 09:32 AM   #4
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Re: 5/10/20 at the venetian......sanity check

why do you make it 9x?

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Old 07-22-2012, 09:40 AM   #5
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Re: 5/10/20 at the venetian......sanity check

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with your insanely huge pf open (9x?) what you are doing is inflating the pot huge so now that you get what you wanted you seem to not feel comfortable with all the action you created.

since the guy prob has J10 here almost always id just shove turn and not open 9x pre next time.
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What do you make it 9x?
... i just assumed the game is "5/10/20" and straddle is 40? so 180 open is fine. if its just 5/10/20 that open is absurd - i'd make it 60-90 no more.
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Old 07-22-2012, 12:42 PM   #6
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never folding that spot
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Old 07-22-2012, 02:42 PM   #7
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you aren't thinking of folding right?
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Old 07-22-2012, 04:24 PM   #8
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ehh guess I should have mentioned that average open was ~150-200. I hadn't seen an open for less than a 100 during the entire session. the deepstack kind of set the tone for the game early on and we all went with it
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Old 07-22-2012, 06:52 PM   #9
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Re: 5/10/20 at the venetian......sanity check

I just jam there are too many bad cards on river that might let him find a fold. Also 9xing is find if there is a large gap between his preflop and post flop continuing ranges
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Old 07-22-2012, 08:59 PM   #10
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I just jam there are too many bad cards on river that might let him find a fold. Also 9xing is find if there is a large gap between his preflop and post flop continuing ranges
+1. Don't want him to be scared on AKQ or to not put it if he has Jdxd. Seems like he is rarely bluffing here, so dont really think that comes into play.
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Old 07-22-2012, 09:54 PM   #11
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idk, unless he's an idiot, you can only beat a bluff. hands like Jx, or JT, or QQ+ simply don't take his line. and if that's the case, wtf do you beat?
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idk, unless he's an idiot, you can only beat a bluff. hands like Jx, or JT, or QQ+ simply don't take his line. and if that's the case, wtf do you beat?
we beat every single hand he's taking this line with.
or to put it another way: there is no chance he's taking this line with any hand that beats us.

oh and also, just because everyone else is making absurdly stupid opens doesn't mean you have to also.
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Old 07-23-2012, 01:00 PM   #13
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we beat every single hand he's taking this line with.
or to put it another way: there is no chance he's taking this line with any hand that beats us.

oh and also, just because everyone else is making absurdly stupid opens doesn't mean you have to also.
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Old 07-23-2012, 05:20 PM   #14
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Re: 5/10/20 at the venetian......sanity check

i think its pointless to argue about the open. ill take the argument that its +ev any day of the week to continue with the norm of the game for max value. a "normal" open of ~90 would get everyone else to call and i dont know if thats what I want with my hand especially when i wanted to iso this player
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Old 07-23-2012, 07:12 PM   #15
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we beat every single hand he's taking this line with.
or to put it another way: there is no chance he's taking this line with any hand that beats us.
-1

Last edited by Andrew Boccia; 07-23-2012 at 07:14 PM. Reason: line is plausible with T4s, TT, JJ, even J4s, obv
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