I love bobbo, that was a good post. Just to add on my 2 cents.


Lets say that I can beat the majority of people at HU so if I go around challenging people like you HU4rollz (loose term) it is because I want to make money or (if I am a dog to you) challenge myself to get better. If you eventually prove yourself to be better then me or not worth playing I will eventually quit. I know its hard to understand that 2 good players would be playing against each other HU, OMG it must be all ego right? Yet you will notice that this accounts for the majority of HSNL online games. Someone does have an edge or they want to find out if they do, which is why the majority of games run. There are tons of ways to make money and if you are a dog at the table then either quit or try to learn something. I don't think someone challenging you HU4ROLLZ has ANYTHING to do with what you accomplished. If anything it seems like you have the bigger ego to make this statement then the person who challenged you hu4rollz.

Lots of variables that you don't account for if you think this is true for everybody. For example- your definition of a fish, how good are you relative to the other players at table, your position at table, how well you play deep, how well you can adapt, etc.

From the sounds of reading your post it seems like you play a pretty ABC game. There are still tons of way to exploit good players. If you are only buying in deep when there is a complete drooler in the line up then that's fine but you can at least understand that this isn't optimal for everybody.

Basically a lot of the stuff that you said works for you, yet its not the be all and end all. Since I have no idea who you are besides this and one other post where your attitude and reasoning behind your play was pretty meh. So I just don't understand what all the hype is about here.

part of it has to do witht he fact that online players dont realize how big a 10/20nl live game is . much lilke how holdem players dont realize how big plo is. the game is actually 10-20-100 because every pot is raised and the stax are deep. the proper bankroll for this game is huge.

so the dude buys in for 100bb and his only thought is how do i get 200 bb. then he gets 200bb and his only thought is how do i get 300 bb's and then he might get 300bb and then its like how do i keep my 300bb's and then hes toast because there are med strength players in the game who are still all abbout getting 600 bb's or going broke.

more later...im in cabo and dont have alot of time for posting.

LIMON,

why did you post that?

poker is boring, live poker is slow, all the big winners play basic ABC boring poker. for 15 or 10 years depending on how you want to look at it, putting 20 hours a week into it. That is a HUGE amount of time... So why are you a poker player? please note also that you have a big IQ so you have all the options in the world.

having a big iq doesnt get you much in life. they dont present you with a check after the test (unfortunately). in fact many of the skills necessary to score high on the exam are pretty worthless if your not willing to be a "slave to the man"...lol.

im pretty much a combative malcontent which, beleive it or not, doesnt get you far in the workplace. in fact if i ever have to cooperate with more than 2 people at a time it ends up being a giant disaster ( i make an exception for golf foursomes). add to that the fact that i really want to do as little as possible at all times to live a basic lifestyle which i find makes me happy and poker/gambling was the perfect vehicle to get me to the place i am today (not where many of you would want to be since i dont even own a watch).

sometimes. i always know before i go into the casino that getting at a good table and playing perfect is my only goal.

yes. but only against players who i know well. against a random i will pretty much never fold KK. if you had a personal rule that you would never fold KK you wouldnt lose that much (although i dont recommend it)

not sure what this means. you dont get rich playing poker. UNLESS your willing to just put your entire bankroll on the table at all times and play as big as possible. theres a catch 22 here though. people who are willing to do this have a special mindset which wont allow them to be satisfied.
for me its the 10/20ish live level. it used to be alot of 20/40nl but those games are horrible now.
im a big fan of a HUGE bankroll. id say you need a minimum of 100k to play the 10/20nl. most would say im crazy but most are happy living on a futon and eating taco bell w/ 3 of their buddies. THATS COOL! its just not for me. I want to feel free to drink a 2k bottle of wine AND make a 2k river call with ace high...not either or.

keep a day job? NOT JUST FOR THE MONEY! do /invest in other things besides poker. keep a big bankroll

yes. yes. yes. there are some old rocks that the ballers laugh at becuase they are so readable but these dudes just keep hanging around. if you can always play your A game (even if its really a B game) and NEVER tilt...you will make money at poker with no other skills.
no. if i ever tilted it would be a raise and not a call.

durrr for sure. none of these other guys ever really play HU. hu doesnt exist in a live setting. on line guys have to be the best at this and durr is the best online guy im told.

id like to play them all 100% least. theres a table of dudes somewhere right now who just want to watch the game, get away from their wives, blow off some steam, have people react to their stupidness etc...they are who i want to play.

some people really love poker. like maybe some people really love ditch digging. if you ask that ditch digger whether hed like to dig a 1 mile ditch or a 2 mile hell happily volunteer for a 2 mile...ill take the 1.

I think your mistaken here. these games could run for the same reason huge bacarrat and blackjack games "run". based on what ive seen from the HS database stuff people post, no one has really established themselves as a consistent winner in these big HU games against other winners they just trade money around waiting for a donator...well...they could do that w/o the variance BUT the games might die. in fact its likely that many of the big HU matches pitting top players are just a SHOW. they are propping the games for people like yourself to stumble into. when you see all the "sick" things HS ROOMMATES do at the same table a little bell should go off...

how do you exploit a good player w/o making yourself exploitable? just make sure you always have position on him i guess...

what was the post where my logic was meh? was it one where i hadnt played for months? for me if i dont play for months my game gets really rusty. i post TO GET BETTER...do you never post to get better? why would you ever post a hand where you thought you did everything right?

thanks for the response...ill try to clarify a little

well i said that in the post didnt I?

to most, even those who should know better, the "long run" is completely intangible.

you know a guy who has been making 400k+ at LIVE 10/20nl for 3-5 years? if this is true the guy is the equivalent of a unicorn. besides, the gyst of that thread was that 200/hr is not reasonable...not even close.


i never said non abc stuff wasnt being done...i said theres about 20 minutes total out of a billion hands of recorded poker.

this has an element of truth...the difference between J6o and 45 in 99% of circumstances is a kuhnthair but msot people play 45cc every chance they can get and never play j6o without ever thinking why they do one and not the other, or neither, OR BOTH!

lol at your last two posts.

like honestly, you believe that these top players are 'propping' and not even actually playing each other? you don't believe that some of these players have an edge on others? seriously? and jesus, you sound like every other live donk i've ever heard talk about online poker here:

okay, so i've been playing at commerce 5/10 the past few days and i've been killing it. and not just because i'm running goot (which i am) but because the lineup for it is always very weak. is 5/10 comparable to 10/20 at commerce? or is it a whole different game?

limon Just watched HSP ep 9 and also some hands on high stakes thread. you're wrong about durrrr playing 95% abc poker. He's the best and you're not.

Other than that, nice post though

limon you are in my top 5 posters on 2+2

ty friend

Ding.

For me it was a couple years ago while railing one of the big 6max games. One guy says to another in the chat box: "hey, call me. I need to talk to you."

lol. this part your dead wrong about. unless you count hands that are played poorly as non-abc poker

this part you might be right about. the "i'm not" part you are assuredly 100% correct about.

you dont read well do you.

i didnt say all of the games fit this description but some assuredly do. im not sure the percentages no one is. even in the piddly games i play many of the young players routinely play off the same bankroll and take percentages of each other. IT MATTERS. they will also PROP a big game and actively recruit droolers ITS A SMART THING TO DO. i suppose youll learn the hard way.

also i get to speak w/ some of the bigger online players from time to time and this is a topic of contsant concern...Gus blew up about it a while back but many discuss it privately. in the gus situation i think he was wrong but the blow up was scratching the surface of something deeper.

this is more religion stuff..."none of my heroes could possibly be doing a logical thing to drum up action because they're like... my heroes! and why would these supermen ever take pieces of each other... WHY WHY!"

you must have alot of fun at magic shows.

oh, btw, im not a live donk...im an online and live donk.

after a few more days youll start to notice that about 20 players frequent both games. just follow the ones you like to the top section.