Great post. Kinda inspirational.

Is this actually true? I've started ignoring people who ask, if I'm only playing chips. If I've got bills I'll spread them out in front of me.

But I don't volunteer any verbal info unless the guy who's asking is a fish I want to be chummy with.

limon is such a badass

just hustlin' his way through life

Obviously a non-verbal response can be just as informative, and most people aren't so focused on being hard to read as you apparently are.

if you dont move at all i will ask the dealer to count you down. if you still dont move you better do this every time this situation arises. if you can do that well...in the battle for information...YOU WIN.

Well, when people ask how much you have it's almost always a ploy. If the question seems to be in good faith, like if the dude is drunk off his ass, or is across the table and legitimately can't see my chips, I'll tell him.

Nice read, thanks limon I love your writing style (!). A few questions:

What kind of people are jades?


"4c5c is “any two cards”."

Can you elaborate on what you meant by this I didn't really get it.


How much money have you made lifetime gambling? (I understand if you don't want to answer of course)


What percentage of dealer's you get flash cards while pitching them or in some other way? What other dealer errors have you noticed like this?

you said that it's worth 20k/year to you, filed it under 'you're not paying attention if...", and also said that you don't warn your opponents if you can see their cards (in response to mikech's post).

so, i'm going to go ahead and stand by what i said--seems particularly scummy and not within the rules of the game.

interesting thoughts.

you might be a jade if:

1. youve ever called for a "doot" on the turn
2. you learned poker from men nguyen in a k-town sweatshop
3. you have a mole w/ like five 4 inch hairs coming out of it
4. you shop at armani xchange
5. youve ever said, "you call you lose, baby"
6. (feel free to add more)

these hands really have no value. in fact if the money is deep and you are raising with them they have negative value. they make the ass end of everything and if you play them against good players youll end up getting alot of unpleasant suprises at showdown.

any time i would play 45 for profit i would really play ATC. ie. if a fit or fold player limps late and i raise from the button or if a super station raises and i call to felt him.

i think ill leave this one alone. ive made exactly what the IRS thinks i made.

ive really almost never seen a card the dealer was pitching. maybe because i never look at the dealer. i see cards people are folding all the time.

see...now youve just gone and lost all credibility.

i expect good players to watch my hands when i act after them. i expect them to gather as much information about me as possible. i dont ever expect them to tell me what they know or even hint tht they are actually paying attention to me. i dont want anyone to know that i am paying attention to them.

oh, and i make 20k extra seeing people preload w/o ever seeing their cards. i probably make more than 20k extra on the holecard information i get...

you get aha moments, how so? like tell wise?

if some1 isn't protecting their hand, thats fine. not telling the dealer when he's flashing cards off the top of the deck is very sketchy imo. still an awsome post, thank you sir

Do you care to explain what was happening in this thread:

http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...fpart=all&vc=1

not much to explain. i made like 20 posts in that thread and explained what i needed to in detail. this respnse from the thread sums things up pretty well...

basically if im in a game i dont like but i would like it if i was shortstacking ill just take money off and shortstack. if people dont think thats cool ill quit the game but if people dont care ill stick around.

IN REALITY THOUGH...i was mainly just being a pain in the ass in that thread. Ive probably only done this 6 times in my life and each time it was about 4am in a short game and nobody gave a fuq.

i got this idea from watching the way pros treat fish. i see nitty pros let dudes like julien get way with murder because they want him to stay soooo why isnt whats true for super fish also true for me? do they get special rules?

lots of little stuff. the other day i was in a game and one dude raised another all in and the guy was agonizing over the call. while he was deciding he asked the amount of the AI raise. the all in raiser counted it down and i didnt notice anything which would clue me off as to the strength of his hand. so the raiser says, "975 more". now the caller says, "hmmm only 775 more" the raiser quickly corrected him "975!" ...the way he corrected him made his holding obvious to me. the dude called and i was right. now when i count people down i pretend i heard the wrong amount on purpose somtimes to see how/if they correct me.

very cool

took you almost 20 years of poker to realize that? : )

Do you know how to play Pasoy? It's a game that's probably right up your alley.

you expect other people to take advantage of any information you give off (i.e. exposing your cards) because you have the same faith in their ethics as i do in yours.

i'm going to elaborate slightly since you are ignoring the focus of my post--looking at other players hole cards is scummy as hell.

i said this before and you start in with "now you have lost all credibility blah blah blah." paying attention to people on your right and left to try and see what actions they will take is "paying attention", as is picking up on any other patterns you may find in their game. looking at their hole cards and using that to make decisions in a poker hand is unethical. but hey, if you can make 20k/yr doing it, why not?

good stuff, thanks.

He's looking at their hands, not their cards. Then they are stupid enough to show him their cards while he is watching the hands. He can't tell them because then they will start paying attention to what they are doing, and not only protecting their cards, because they know he is watching them.

is your real life identity a secret?
if not what is your name and have we played together?
i played the 20/40 everday for 2 years from 2005-2007 (25-27) had a lip ring and usually wore a baseball hat.

for some reason i picture you as scotty (middle aged guy real good only played the 10/20)...

you obv don't have to answer this just been bugging me.

lol he's definitely not scotty lungren, who I assume you're referring to.

edit: or is he...?