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2000 nl What to do on River? Too passive? 2000 nl What to do on River? Too passive?

12-15-2016 , 04:37 PM
Hi all,

Here's an interesting hand I played online at 10/20

3 handed
BUT: 2200
SB: 2100
BB (HERO): 2540 with K10 of spades
blind is 10/20 dollars no limit holdem

BUT raises to 50, SB fold, HERO calls 30 dollars.
POT: 110
FLOP : 9d, 8s, 6s

HERO checks, BUT bets 80, HERO calls.
POT: 270

TURN: 2d

HERO checks, BUT bets 330, HERO calls.
POT: 930

River: 9s

HERO checks, BUT shoves for 1740, HERO ??

What should I do? BUT is a competent reg. Is this line by HERO too passive with the combo draw?
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12-15-2016 , 04:42 PM
I'm playing much lower stakes online. Here is my thoughts.

Wow, tough spot. It come down to your range a lot. Do you ever have boat here by c/c, c/c on the drawy board. I guess GTO wise if you never have boats here K high flush is on the top of your range and you kinda have to call.

V could be bluffing with counterfeit 68s right?


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12-15-2016 , 04:49 PM
I agree for the most part, but not sure how often the villain turns counterfeited two pair into bluff, since i really have either three 9s, flush, or missed straight draw and he still has some showdown value.

The tough part is that villain has all full houses from his range while i have virtually none, the way i played it...
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12-20-2016 , 11:13 AM
Does villain ever take this line with JT or QT? What about the NFD?

His turn overbet is a bit unusual and I don't think he ever expects you to x/call turn with a FD. If he had a boat, would he jam here and expect to get called by worse often enough? Or would he bet small in the hopes of inducing a x/raise bluff from your busted draws as well as getting thin value off weak pairs?

I find it really difficult to range villain, but since you played your hand so passively (it's so hard for you to have a boat or NFD here), then I think you're pretty much obliged to call the river shove.
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12-22-2016 , 01:19 PM
Instant call for me but i would have check-raised flop so he doesn't know where your at..
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12-28-2016 , 07:50 PM
call river
what was the action?
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01-03-2017 , 12:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tonychet2
call river
what was the action?
I called and he showed Q10 diamonds for busted straight and flush draw
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01-06-2017 , 09:14 PM
I don't like his move. I feel like he could of bet a lot less for the same result.

Also I don't think he got the best river to bluff, your range his heavily weighted towards 9x and flush draws.

If he showed up with a 9x it would of been a cooler and I would of liked his play a lot more, but a busted draw like this he can easily check back river as the 9 isn't the best bluff card.

would of liked to see him bet any A or K river. Don't think a shove accomplishes anything a big bet wouldn't.
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01-08-2017 , 01:57 PM
This is an interesting hand

I like your line. I prefer to x/r flush draws that don't contain a gutshot or straight draw like A2-A4ss KJss on this board at a higher frequency because I find it becomes awkward to realize all of your equity on future streets if you c/c

By the river BT has a lot more boats than you (I'm guessing you have some 89 combos that didn't x/r flop, though) so you pretty much have the top of your range.

There are a few strategies that I think are reasonable which villain could be adopting on the river following a turn over bet.

Overbet jam for value about 12 combos (88,66,89s,89o)
Overbet jam as a bluff (86s, JTdd, QTdd (most people check back AT here so I won't give him that given the flop action) QJdd, 45dd, A7ss, A7dd) 8 combos

If he's overbetting a wider range of hands on the turn I could get behind an additional 1/2 pot range containing something like this

1/2 pot value (99, T7, QJss,45ss) 19 combos
1/2 pot bluff (JTo, JTs, QTo, Qts) 38 combos

If villain is not over betting turn with a wider range of hands he kind of ****s himself a bit with hands with hands like weak flushes and T7 because an overbet jam with these hands would be lighting money on fire so I think he would need to check these back if he had no other hands to balance an additional smaller size with.

You having a hand like KTss allows you to play well against this strategy imo. nh
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01-09-2017 , 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by nickmarchington
This is an interesting hand

I like your line. I prefer to x/r flush draws that don't contain a gutshot or straight draw like A2-A4ss KJss on this board at a higher frequency because I find it becomes awkward to realize all of your equity on future streets if you c/c

By the river BT has a lot more boats than you (I'm guessing you have some 89 combos that didn't x/r flop, though) so you pretty much have the top of your range.

There are a few strategies that I think are reasonable which villain could be adopting on the river following a turn over bet.

Overbet jam for value about 12 combos (88,66,89s,89o)
Overbet jam as a bluff (86s, JTdd, QTdd (most people check back AT here so I won't give him that given the flop action) QJdd, 45dd, A7ss, A7dd) 8 combos

If he's overbetting a wider range of hands on the turn I could get behind an additional 1/2 pot range containing something like this

1/2 pot value (99, T7, QJss,45ss) 19 combos
1/2 pot bluff (JTo, JTs, QTo, Qts) 38 combos

If villain is not over betting turn with a wider range of hands he kind of ****s himself a bit with hands with hands like weak flushes and T7 because an overbet jam with these hands would be lighting money on fire so I think he would need to check these back if he had no other hands to balance an additional smaller size with.

You having a hand like KTss allows you to play well against this strategy imo. nh
haha that is a spot on analysis. That is exactly what i thought about after the hand. Cool to see someone that agrees with me exactly.
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01-10-2017 , 12:25 PM
The turn is the only questionable street for me small range to the BB if you are defending liberally suited gappers are in your range and a check raise on the turn gives you control of the hand and takes down the hand some percentage of times. As played i think it the river action is fine. He is extremely polarized on the river most of the time he's showing air or a boat occasionally maybe trying to get value out of a 9 or a straight but unlikely with flush getting there on river.
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01-24-2017 , 10:20 AM
i definitely calling here, if he has flush A or a full, well is a little bit cooler, the way i would play was.

call pf, check raise the flop, the only line i would change, but idk if has the same impact but is the way i would play.

Lets think a moment if you dont hit the flush, you can win the hand on the flop, or the turn, representing 2pairs or set. But anyways good hand, i definetly calling the river.

edit: i like your check on the river, because so many people when hits the flush dunk on the river, taking away the chance of get bluff.

So your check on the river allows exactly the thing that happen, he try to bluff you.
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02-15-2017 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by keybattle
I guess GTO wise if you never have boats here K high flush is on the top of your range and you kinda have to call.
This. /Thread

When you're playing High stakes you should be playing a style leaning a bit towards GTO rather than exploitative. There definitely are spots where you should fold the top of your range but I don't think this is one of them.
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02-27-2017 , 05:08 AM
What site do you play Kohyou?
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02-27-2017 , 06:23 PM
why do you ask?
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02-28-2017 , 07:48 AM
i like villain's line if he had a fh
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