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06-03-2016 , 02:44 AM
V1 is recreational player for sure. Only hand I saw he bet 3 streets out of position and was called down byAQ and lost on a AJ752 rainbowfor about a 7k pot.V2 solid pro. $5500 effective. Obviously the game had a ton of 3betting and squeezing from the blinds.

Hero on the button withAh8h.

V2 raises to 130. Hero flats. V1 3bets from the bb to 440. Hero and V2 flat.

Flop Js 7h 5h $1340 v1 leads for 650. V2 and hero flat.

Turn Qc $3290 v1 leads for $1300. V2 folds. Hero flats.

River 2c $5890 v1 leads for $1900 on Js7h5hQc2c

What do you make of his bet sizing? What range do you put him on by the river? What is the least you call with here? Do you raise the flop or turn?
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06-03-2016 , 02:53 AM
That's a fold. I don't think you'll be able to raise him off the hand
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06-05-2016 , 03:27 PM
why not ship the flop?
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06-05-2016 , 03:45 PM
I don't like how this hand was played at all.

If you are getting squeezed a lot, this isn't the best hand to defend with. It has major reverse implied odds, and you are really hoping to flop a flush draw+ or 2 pair+.

Problem is if you flop an 8 or an ace and a lot of money starts going in, you are gonna level yourself into calling and have a really hard time improving.

I am possibly 3betting pre or if calling, plan on 4betting some of the time. Depends on who 3bet and what kind of 3bet range i give him and how clean my image looks.

Flop is fantastic for you, and probably not great for villain who 3bet. I am going to raise this flop and be ok with stacking off.

Turn is probably a fold as played. It's just going to be so hard to get any more $$$ in the pot if you hit and you aren't really getting the best price to draw.

River is defiantly a fold.

I am putting villain on AJ+ 77+ KQ suited. Have you seen him 3bet garbage?
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06-05-2016 , 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by notgrimstarr
why not ship the flop?
Didn't think there was much fold equity. He is really strong when he 3bets from the blinds against 2 players
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06-05-2016 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by djevans
I don't like how this hand was played at all.

If you are getting squeezed a lot, this isn't the best hand to defend with. It has major reverse implied odds, and you are really hoping to flop a flush draw+ or 2 pair+.

Problem is if you flop an 8 or an ace and a lot of money starts going in, you are gonna level yourself into calling and have a really hard time improving.

I am possibly 3betting pre or if calling, plan on 4betting some of the time. Depends on who 3bet and what kind of 3bet range i give him and how clean my image looks.

Flop is fantastic for you, and probably not great for villain who 3bet. I am going to raise this flop and be ok with stacking off.

Turn is probably a fold as played. It's just going to be so hard to get any more $$$ in the pot if you hit and you aren't really getting the best price to draw.

River is defiantly a fold.

I am putting villain on AJ+ 77+ KQ suited. Have you seen him 3bet garbage?
He didn't 3bet much and doubt he had any garbage in his range. He likes to call didn't think i had fold equity. I feel like calling with ace high would be pretty bad because he will show up with 1010 99 some which is weird but I see rec players do stuff like this.

Last edited by massivetilt99; 06-05-2016 at 04:56 PM.
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06-05-2016 , 11:36 PM
your line makes no sense if you raise river. Don't like how you played the hand
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06-06-2016 , 08:41 AM
I'm definitely raising flop and putting on a ton of pressure vs that sizing and after there's a caller in the middle

As played fold river. Trying to raise stuck fish off their 3b range on the river is never a great idea.
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06-06-2016 , 11:34 AM
not raising flop is terrible. just make it 2100 and call it off
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06-06-2016 , 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by look at me now
not raising flop is terrible. just make it 2100 and call it off
+1

There's a ton of money in the pot by the time it gets to you, you have excellent equity and probably at least some fold equity. Time to raise / gii.
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06-07-2016 , 01:32 AM
Get it in on flop.
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06-08-2016 , 11:51 AM
Shove flop with a PSB left once you call....
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06-09-2016 , 06:34 PM
I agree should have shoved especially against this V.

I have one more hand at 10-20 a week or so ago. I want to know what you guys think.

10-20 in LA:

I am in MP with 4K and raise to 60 with J9cc

V is super LAG preflop 3 betting more than I have ever seen anyone 3 bet especially out of the blinds. He Cbets almost 100% but didnt really see him confirmed 3 barrel bluff but once in about 5 hours of play when a rec player called him down. almost certain he is reg winning player. I probably should have folded to the 3 bet but im not asking about that.

V was in the BB. Folds to Rec player in SB who calls, and V 3bets to 240. Hero call, SB Calls

Flop 9h 6s 2h Pot 720. SB check. V leads for 360. Hero calls

Turn is 2s Pot is 1440. V leads for $1050.00. Hero calls.

River is 7s Pot $3540.00 V waits like a minute and bets 2k with 2 big chips. I have $2350 left. How often am I good here??
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06-22-2016 , 03:56 PM
2000 to win 5500? I think you're good often enough.

He's (according to you) 3-betting preflop with almost any hand, and he has proven willing to 3-barrel. His range includes plenty of bluffs, outkicked 9s, and lower pairs.

Since you were calling the first 2 streets, why would you change your read on the river? The river only puts you behind if he has T8/97/67/77 and most villains would check the turn with T8/67/77 after your call-call.

Playing this passive you are inviting a player like this to keep firing light into you. The board developed almost as well as you could hope for based on your hole cards so as played I think you have to accept you put yourself in a high-variance situation where you lose most of the time but calling is +EV often enough you have to do it.
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06-22-2016 , 08:02 PM
3bet or fold pre, calling flop and turn standard, bluffing river seems like suicide so just fold. I guess calling river is an option but I don't think you have to.
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