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Old 07-24-2012, 03:30 PM   #1
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10/20nl 6max, JJ

Don't have HH so doing this from memory...assume everyone is reg, little history but BTN had been 3b good amount.

Hero and BTN are effective stacks ~$3.4k

CO raise to $60
BTN 3-bet to $180
Hero (BB) 4-bet to $420 with JJ
CO fold
BTN call

Flop is 963sss (I have Js) (Pot = ~$930)
Hero cbet halfpot ish, BTN call

Turn 963sss-Ax (Pot = ~$1900)
Hero check, BTN bet ~$1k, Hero has ~$2.6k...

In retrospect Hero should have cbet bigger so we have PSB on turn, then we probably jam most turns. As played this is a weird turn to jam and stacks are bad anyway.

I decide to check (?) then villain bet, not sure what villain 3b, flat 4b, float flop, bluff turn w/ ? Although maybe he bet rando pair on turn or something i dunno...
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Old 07-24-2012, 03:54 PM   #2
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Re: 10/20nl 6max, JJ

4 bet to like 650 pre, you can either shove 2k into 1400 or bet 750/call on flop
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Old 07-24-2012, 04:21 PM   #3
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Re: 10/20nl 6max, JJ

Does villain know the full extent of what kind of monkey you are? How wide do you think he's peeling pre here? What's he doing on the flop with AxKs and AxQs? How much did your net worth increase with the Heat winning it all? Do you prefer ponies or unicorns?
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Old 07-24-2012, 04:24 PM   #4
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Re: 10/20nl 6max, JJ

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4 bet to like 650 pre, you can either shove 2k into 1400 or bet 750/call on flop
yeah bigger 4b would have been helpful
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Old 07-24-2012, 04:30 PM   #5
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Re: 10/20nl 6max, JJ

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Does villain know the full extent of what kind of monkey you are? How wide do you think he's peeling pre here? What's he doing on the flop with AxKs and AxQs? How much did your net worth increase with the Heat winning it all? Do you prefer ponies or unicorns?
it wasnt live so my avatar is not asian kid w/breitling , so probably not

who knows

i guess this deep he could flat teh 4b w/AK...maybe
no clue what he's doing with AKs/AQs

nil but luckily i got enough to ante up for fantasy basketball again

unicorn because it is the only pony with a natural weapon and they can use magic to fly
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Old 07-24-2012, 04:32 PM   #6
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Re: 10/20nl 6max, JJ

hows the weather in minnesota
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Old 07-24-2012, 08:35 PM   #7
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Re: 10/20nl 6max, JJ

why dont you just bet the turn yourself you ape?
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Old 07-26-2012, 12:11 AM   #8
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Easy fold...turn sucks but he could hold a big redraw
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Old 07-30-2012, 03:28 AM   #9
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Re: 10/20nl 6max, JJ

this spot sucks , if he is bluffings its weird that he didn't really leave himself enough for a believable amount on the river to shove w, like if u call turn u have only 1.6k left into a pot of 3.9k. stack sizes are definitely awkward here. how aggressive is this guy? were u gonna shove over his 5b if he done so?

i like x flop here sometimes. In theory u are gonna be checking this flop a decent amount of the time w ur air balls that missed hard. . . so, why not beef it up a bit w a bluff catching hand that can stand a decent amount of pressure. pot is already inflated b/c its 4b pot so dynamics are a little different than a standard 3b pot where i like betting most of time as standard(although xing might be decent sometimes there too). I think when u x flop villains are generally gonna a. check back a lot of the time cause they are like "w t f mate," or b. bet once because "i was checked to and hey he might just fold," but when u call they lose hope and don't wanna bluff off into the nuts or some other strong hand so they x back turns/rivers decent amount or c. bet flop and turn after u x and put u in a tough spot.

If "a" happens and they x back then u have a nice bet on the turn for value(obv it gets tough if u get raised), if "b" happen then u have an easy call, x turn and decide, if "c" happens then u have the decide based on turn cards and what u feel about his range and bluffing frequencies obv.

as played.... 4b size is very small... i like 4b small in 100bb situations since people are gonna shove/fold either way so u get to steal their monies if they don't want to shove but when we are 150+bbs deep it just fu cks sh it up to make it this small since now theoretically he can have any decent looking hand that he 3b w initially since he only has to call $140 more w lots of $ back. And this flop is a nice one to "go after," i would call or raise this flop a lot of the time w almost all of my range because it def favors the player in position w such a scary board and lots of money in pot w money behind. I think 4bet size should have been like $580 ish...

anyways, as played... it is really a nasty spot on the turn but if this guys 3betting range is as wide as some peoples, and his defending range to this size 4b this deep is almost as wide as that 3b range then i suppose u might need to call or shove this turn after he bets here. I mean, if his range is that wide pre and he floats the flop wide like i would here than its a profitable call or shove here on the turn against me since i would try to bully u off a hand by betting here on the turn.

He def has some hands that beat u tho. flopped sets, flushes, turned As... yuck, this spot really sucks. ya, really depends how wide u think his 3b range is and float range on flop is(i think his 4b defend range here is essentially as wide as his 3b range cause of sizing and deepness), and also how often he tries to attack these kinds of boards, like i said i would call this flop in position w almost anything to try and take it away on turns by either bluffing scary looking cards or just stabbing when checked to. Maybe that is what he is doing on this A?
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