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Old 08-05-2012, 09:43 PM   #1
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10/20 NLH live cash game action.

10/20 hand thats been on my mind the past couple days, would like to hear everyones thoughts on how I played this hand. My table image is that i'm capable of bluffing.... as I tabled a bluff a couple hrs before. I didn't have any history with this player. ( young kid, seems solid, running good )

I have about $7,000 in front of me, other player had 10k. The player opens utg for $60 2 players call and I make the call with Q 10 off on the button - big blind calls.

FLOP: Q Q K
he cbets $220 into about $300 both players fold and I smooth call on the button (bb folds)
TURN: J
he checks and I bet $500 on Q Q K J Rainbow he calls.
RIVER: 8
he checks and I bet $1,100 on the river.... Q Q K J 8 board... he tanks and make the call - turns over AQ...

I was trying the get value out of hands like AA AK as I had a pretty aggressive image... let me know what you guys think, thanks!
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Old 08-05-2012, 09:54 PM   #2
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Re: 10/20 NLH live cash game action.

you played it fine (fold pre sometimes). your opponent was obviously terrible
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Old 08-05-2012, 10:18 PM   #3
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Re: 10/20 NLH live cash game action.

Either he wasn't paying attention to your aggressive play or he just views you as a nit in that spot against him....if he actually thinks you're aggressive and can V-bet thin or bluff then ya that is a terrible tank call

Last edited by welkerallday; 08-05-2012 at 10:19 PM. Reason: even if he does think ur a huge nit, still bad tank-call
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Old 08-05-2012, 11:09 PM   #4
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Re: 10/20 NLH live cash game action.

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if he actually thinks you're aggressive and can V-bet thin or bluff then ya that is a terrible tank call
How does this make any sense? If he is aggressive and can value bet thin that makes this even more of a call. unless you where implying villain should have snapped of this river instead of tanking.
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Old 08-05-2012, 11:41 PM   #5
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How does this make any sense? If he is aggressive and can value bet thin that makes this even more of a call. unless you where implying villain should have snapped of this river instead of tanking.
yea sorry bad wording on my part, I meant the fact that he tanked was bad. He has to call even if he thinks hero is a nit, nvm if he actually thinks hero is aggro
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Old 08-06-2012, 04:33 AM   #6
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Re: 10/20 NLH live cash game action.

You got coolered and lost 100 bbs. This hand couldn't be more standard.
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Old 08-06-2012, 05:51 AM   #7
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Re: 10/20 NLH live cash game action.

Betting river is extremely thin, and thinking AK/AA will call is down right delusional
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Old 08-06-2012, 06:38 AM   #8
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Old 08-06-2012, 04:58 PM   #9
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Re: 10/20 NLH live cash game action.

lol... need to be betting 2k on the river to get him to fold!!
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Old 08-06-2012, 10:11 PM   #10
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You got coolered and lost 100 bbs. This hand couldn't be more standard.
Except you should be folding this mostly pre, other than that standard. I can't imagine villian was going to turn his hand into a bluff so who knows what he was thinking about. He probably felt his utg raise was strong and you were much more likely to have qk/qj. I don't know what else you were expecting from this hand, it is a classic example of RIP, I can only imagine you flatted button for more than just the value of your hand.
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Old 08-07-2012, 04:06 PM   #11
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Re: 10/20 NLH live cash game action.

your deep so pre is borderline, if the other players in the hand cant fold hands its fine.

his river call is kinda bad as your at the bottom of your value range. this is the only hand your valubetting thinly , and theres only about 4 combos, the rest of your range that takes this line, (6 combos) beats AQ (unless you turn hands into bluffs which i'm assuming was his deciding factor, otherwise he's just pretty bad and cant make folds ) thus validating calling with QTo in the first place is going to be +EV here. and 3 he splits with ( AQ )

i don't think i valuebet the river unless villain is capable of valuebetting super thin into multiple players oop and not being capable of folding multiway pots w/ a hand like TPTK. his flop bet is indicative of TPTK & >. TPTK should never call this river bet from you unless your doing what i mentioned above.

Edit: his call isn't actually bad as i thought if your betting 100% of your flop calling range on the river 6/13 combos hes behind, 3/13 hes chopping, 4/13 hes ahead. something like 2.7 -1 on river to call.

vbetting this on the river seems bad.

Edit 2: overbet river.

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Old 08-07-2012, 04:27 PM   #12
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Re: 10/20 NLH live cash game action.

Pre is mostly a fold.

Because flop was 4-way and you called with bb behind your flop call is extremely strong. In light of this:

As played flop is standard, turn depends a ton on dynamics (if villain is extremely nitty, you should check back turn) and river is either a check or bet $2k as a bluff, $1.1k is a very bad bet because it can't be for value (you are never 50% against a calling range, he almost always should c/f AA on this board so AQ should be the very bottom of his calling range) and it doesn't work enough as a bluff.

As for villain's play, river call is thin. Against tighter players he should probably be folding here a lot, you always have trips+ for value (so he can't call AA if he has it) and it's hard to think of hands you are bluffing here with other than JT which gives up a lot on river. However with your image it's a close call, if he thinks you can bet QT or Q9 here then he should call. Definitely no way a snap call at all.
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Old 08-07-2012, 06:53 PM   #13
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Re: 10/20 NLH live cash game action.

looks fine to me - pretty insane people fold pre here
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Old 08-07-2012, 08:06 PM   #14
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Re: 10/20 NLH live cash game action.

imo dont post results. instead ask people about your line.

so many results orientated people.

This is a standard hand. Sick if you bet like 400 and he raised. otherwise WP , UL , next hand.

call Qto all day deep.
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Old 08-10-2012, 08:05 PM   #15
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naaa I wouldn't fold pre to 60. 90% of the time you win with this flop.
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