I've been in the game for 2 hours. All regular players who know each other, me being the exception. So far to this point I've been fairly standard tag, haven't gotten out of line, showed down two winners, one of which being the nuts in a three bet pot( raise ATss in cutoff, 3b by SB. I call. KJ4 rainbow board goes cc, turn blank. Check check to river. Q. Check, bet, call. Fairly standard). Have taken down a handful of pots uncontested but At this point I've been fairly inactive the last 45 mins. New player sits down and immediately the next few pots go new guy raising, few calls, 3b, all folds. Few more hands of this and I pick up ak I'm cutoff, new guy raises 3x, I three to 160, button who has been fairly active calls behind, original raiser calls. Flop air, I bet fold to button jam. V next hand I pick up AKss I'm hijack, mp raises, I three two 220 after one caller, folds back to mp who 4b to 660. I think for a bit and jam in for about 2.2k which gets a call and win a flip against QQ. Jam may be questionable in that spot but given recent action and my 3b, bet/ fold from previous as an unknown in this game, I felt it wasn't too wide. On to the hand in question:

The very next hand, so now this is three hands in a row of me raising, and about 5 hands in a row of it going 3b to the flop, I pick up XX In MP. One limper to me who is a 40 yr old woman. A bit passive preflop but seems to play pretty well post, has taken down a few pots uncontested in position post flop. Knows all the players pretty well and seems to be another regular. I make it 70 which receives two calls and folds to her. She makes it 270 with about 3k behind. I have seen her open quite a bit in position and limp/ call raise a few times but I have yet to see her limp reraise which immediately felt strong to me given action behind me, and I haven't seen her 3b or call a 3b pre to this point either. I call in position as it was fairly evident it would be going Hu post flop. Other two players fold. Flop: KdKhJd. Obviously good flop for our perceived range, and playing this hand in position should really put a lot of her range in a tough spot on later streets. She bets 350 on the flop, and We call, don't really think there's any other course of action to take here. Turn is a complete blank, and she fires again, this time 650. What is the minimum you think we can continue with on this turn? Two barrels on this board out of position seems extremely polarising to me, but curious to here other thoughts. We decide to call 650 with about 1650 effective behind. River is another blank, she fires again, this time 1200. I think we've effectively turned our hand face up as AK with our turn call(we don't really have any other combos with a king) and she is essentially telling us that's no good. What are the community's thoughts on what we should be continuing with on turn here given action? I'm probably just levelling myself, but it was a strange sequence of hands leading up to this one which is throwing me off quite a bit. Of the three prior, I only showed down one which was the AKss. Thanks for the replies!

I don't see how I could fold AK here. Is that the question??? If she decided to l/r with jacks and flopped a cooler, then god bless her. The dynamic you describe makes it more likely she isn't willing to let go of aces and is trying to valuetown you with a high pocket pair.

The question is what do you continue with on the turn, and river. My read on her is that this is never a 3 barrel with aces. She seems competent and firing three streets her with her strong showdown hands imo is suicide and She seems better than that to me.

I don't think your hand is as face up as you do. You were there, you can make the read but without more info on her this is a call. Your hand could be several combo draws, worse Ks and some stubborn J hands.

Reads can obv change this. I make folds often that on paper look pretty bad.

How wide are you continuing on the turn?

I didn't disclose my hand because I'm just curious to know what hands the community think we should continue with, and which we shouldn't.

In a vacuum I'm folding turn because it's an old woman who three bet us unless I have AK, small boat or huge royal draw. We are playing an old lady who three bet us. Danger! Lol.

After the turn I'm only continuing with AK or better unless you have a read that she overplays AA like this. If you know she over plays AA then I'm calling with any K and maybe some straight draws that I'm jamming the river with if she checks. The way the hand played out I would bet that you're chopping with AK.

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Very top of range, and shes not slowing down one bit, and doesnt seem the least bit concerned with any Kx hand. AK would be a crying call and expect to chop or lose as previously said.

I'm not calling river unless I boat up. I wouldn't continue with anything less than AK with or without combo draws on turn. She sometimes can show up with AK Most likely you flopped a cooler. Older ladies seem to always have it In this spot. Specially when they l/r Preflop... Her turn bet seems more value side to me. If your reads are correct and you think she is confident player, AA usually check turn. I fold river, perhaps this a leak but I see her showing up with JJ, AK and somtimes KQ/KJ but unlikely. I don't see myself calling turn with weak KX hands

Thanks guys. My hand in this spot was AdQd, and my thinking was that she could continue on turn with QQ/ AA, but would be forced to slow down on the river without AK+. When she fired turn I didn't love it but I thought there was a decent chance we could get her to fold any non King+ hands if checked to on the river. Plus there's only one boat combo that makes sense(JJ) and one combo of KKKK so I felt a decent chance we were drawing live. Tough hand for me so thought I'd ask around.

Tough sessions when these hands occur often. Easy to make slim errors. Did you call River?

Sorry I thought river was a Q. Wrong hand.

I figured the way you phrased your question that you were going to try to justify some spew float. I don't think you get folds from big pairs here that often. I don't like floating here given your assumed image. "My hand is face up as AK," lol, except you have nothing, so I guess not. I assume she snapped you off as I would have also. Hard to rep a king if you've been really active here.

okay, so you actually had a royal draw (hh is really hard to read), i think flop raise + turn ship maximizes any fold equity you might have. As played, I would just fold river.

Wrote HH on my phone so that's why it's clunky. I was playing very TAG but i guess my perceived image could have been a bit looser given the last few hands leading up to it. I think when I call turn given previous action I should have at a King or better here nearly every time as there is only one flush draw that makes sense(my exact hand) and I'm not continuing with a Jack. ""My hand is face up as AK," lol, except you have nothing," The original post was to discuss what hands should be continuing on the turn given the prior action, and what our opponents range should be for continuing. My actual holding isn't exactly relevant to the discussion. I think you may have misread the action, she continued three streets and I folded the river, I didn't shove. That said, I don't think she is checking the river with the intention of making a tough call with one pair holdings, and all of her K or better hands are continuing to bet. I think my range as played is heavily weighted towards Ks or better since I can really only have one draw(AdQd), and if i'm calling two streets and shoving on this board, and then getting snapped off by one pair holdings I'll probably be able to make some long term money in this game.

When considering my range keep in mind I called a limp 4x 3 bet with action behind. Really hard to have any other combos of diamonds outside of AdQd or any other potential draws. AdQd, QQ, and kings will make up the majority of what I'm holding.

i'm personally calling this spot with any kx, this type of player is NEVER limp reraising anything other than aa/kk/maybe AK but given her sizing i think we can discount AK more than usual. but since you had aq its not interesting at all.

I don't think your hand was really as "face up as AK" as you hoped it was.

Probably I'd fold turn with your hand, simply because the odds aren't there and your outs are scare cards.

She is a 40 year old woman who limp/raised.. without more info you should assume she is very strong preflop with AA being most likely. We have no idea how she plays postflop or if she is good just because people know her. Not folding any K.

The few 40yo women I've seen play comfortably at 10/20 games are some of the most LAG players I've seen.

However, in this situation, because villain + hero don't have history yet, I'd agree with your assumption and play safe until shown otherwise. It sounds like the OP did exactly that and tried to outplay the villain by representing AK.

Bingo

she has AA snap call w any king

QQ will be the bottom of my range to continue
to answer ur q

She limped MP and then squeezed you and three limpers with a 3.5x raise OOP. This kind of screams like she wants action. I think JJ might raise more here if at all, I would put her on AA here.

The flop bet is the same reasoning as the turn bet. Make your draws pay/ get value from hands like QQ or AJ maybe.

I would continue here with any K, because most regs dont limp raise AK in LP like that in my opinion. If you have a K you block quads, and the only hand you have to really worry about is JJ which I deemed unlikely.

She in retrospect, based on you the way you were playing can put you on a wide range from 89s to QTo I think. There is no reason for her to put you on the nuts or even a big K here. It's in your range, but so are 20 other hands.
I would not bluff her here, because she has a big hand which she won't fold though.

why are you assuming she knows how to play poker and will fold AA to a KKJ board considering all you are doing is calling and never putting in a raise?

You have AQ which should block some of her AA hands. Do you know if she is any good or just a nit? Is she capable of 3 barrell bluffing?

This hand should of just been a fold on the flop IMO. Your hand is strong enough to call pre with position, but that board just isn't good enough to continue on, and just because you feel your image is AK another player may not.