$5/$10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi

1 Players
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hero (BTN) ($5,437.50)

Pre-Flop: ($20, 1 players) hero is BTN 10 J A 7
[ posts $10]
hero raises to $30, raises to $90, hero calls $60

Flop: J 8 2 ($180, 1 players)
bets $180, hero calls $180

Turn: 8 ($540, 1 players)
bets $540, hero calls $540

River: 3 ($1,620, 1 players)
checks, hero bets $1,050, raises to $4,770, hero goes all-in $3,577.50

villian is really tough to play against. 3betting a tone and playing really aggro exspecially deep. he was firing like a maniac. he is also up a tone on me. caught him twice c/r bluffing the river. he is definitiv able to pull off big moves. he also cr me once on the river with the nuts ( it was after his 2bluffs). is that call bad or do you like it.

hey, I like music! which tone did he 3bet and what tone is he up on you?

hes gotta be really agr to make that call profitable.

Call seems fine.

Am I the only one who's thinking mandatory 4bet pf in position 500bb deep with a hand that plays so well post flop vs a villain who's 3betting a ton?

ur def not wrong. especially so deep. but then again, i dont play omaha. but river is tricky 50/50... flip a coin after wat u wrote about c/ring u on river twice with air.. but im leaning more towards a call if his check raise on the river is more likely a bluff

what i dont get is why u bet the river if u thinkin about foldin to a raise.i mean,if u puttin him on a full house why bet the river at all?with what hand is he gonna call u?

i think the river value bet is a flush or better and you have a weak one. its a tough spot though especially with your read.

The fact that our flush is weak really doesnt matter imo. We dont expect him to cr a better flush fv?! So whether this is a call or not should depend on our blocker value as long as we hold a hand that beats all of his bluffs (which it does).

anyway he must have a strong read on u to check the river with a boat to induce a bet from u.hes losin value if u check behind so it looks more of a bluff.still tough spot though.i do agree that hes not doin it with a better flush.

You've gotta have a plan

it feels bad to me. do you ever just call with J8 on flop? if you do have a decent amount of J8...which im guessing you do 500bb deep, i think its a fold.

I think most of his air hands pot river, AJ+ probably just check calls with the amount of missed draws... so he could be turning trip eights into bluff, or has full house as he expects you to bet with the entire range that you would call a bet with + bluff all missed draws... he probably has enough trip eights/spazz bluffs to justify a call now getting 2-1, so I think once i bet I'd call but i don't mind waiting for a better spot to get that much in.

If he check-raises river a good balanced amount, with your marginal hand I would just check back I think.

I am fairly new to PLO tho.

I definitely think a 4b pre is in order; I don't know why you wouldn't want to build the pot this deep and in position, even with an A-hi hand. Even if he has AA, you're more likely to get him in a bad spot post-flop than vice versa.

This is a hard hand to comment on post-flop, given that the dynamics vary widely when you're this deep, HU, stuck a lot, etc. that said...

I think the river decision largely boils down to what he thinks about your turn action, and this is what I mean about the dynamic mattering so much. I think in a "normal" situation, your turn call when the board pairs indicates that you have either an 8 or a draw with lots and lots of outs, with a lesser chance of being full already. In other words, when a diamond or club gets there, there is a very big chance in my mind that he would go for a check-raise with his big hands. Hands like club flushes or even A8 (and obviously small boats) will not raise his river bet but will have a hard-to-impossible time not betting the river (for good reason).

Add in the variable, unknown-to-us amount that you'll bluff the river and he should probably check every boat on the river. Should he raise every boat though? Again, this depends on the dynamic, but given that you were stuck a lot and he was playing like a maniac in your eyes, it seems so.

You'd caught him c/r bluffing the river twice before, and here it's more plausible that you have a made hand as opposed to a bluff yourself, so I don't expect him to try a bluff here very often with this line. I would fold getting 2:1.

This is how LAG players trap you. They beat you down until you get frustrated and call in spots like this when you are completely dead. Fold. If hes bluffing in this spot, when you lead out for a stack, then nice hand villain, but I really dont think he expects you to fold and probably shows you JJxx or J8xx, or even 88xx.

I dont mind leading the river, but making it 500-$750 leaves you a much easier fold when he repots, and allows him to call easier with the weaker part of his range which you are beating.

if villain is that aggro can't we make a case for calling just for pot control because if villain is double barreling frequently we are put in a lot of tough spots and the less deep the more in our favor..we could get all his chips even if we don't 4 bet anyways so why 4 bet?...i understand we are ahead of his range but just to avoid making things even harder on ourselves this deep