I have defended both men and women. I usually let it go unless the victim seems timid and unable or for whatever reason unwilling to say something themselves. I think it's a situational and conscious driven decision.

Actually, I wish more people would step up and say something when someone is being a douche or cruel to a male or female at the poker table. It's a tricky dynamic though, I have said stuff before and it has gone multiple ways. So many times you see stuff happen and people notice but just don't want to get involved. I personally see nothing wrong with being the 'white knight' in situations like this...it's actually pretty cool imo...guys who do it and are able to handle themselves with class in situations like this are also pretty sexyyyyyyyyyy

@peachfuzzle

"White knighting" is indeed a tricky issue, and the line in my mind is a little fuzzy, but I'll try to express it as best as I can...

If something is said or done at the table that offends you, regardless of whether it is directed at you or another player (male or female), I think that we as players always have the right to speak up. There may be times when we choose not to for various reasons (not wanting to potentially escalate an already tense situation, etc.), but if you want to speak up, go ahead.

I think it becomes trickier, however, if you're trying to express outrage on someone else's behalf... This isn't exactly the situation you were talking about, but, for example, if you don't like foul language, I think it's totally appropriate to ask someone to please watch their mouth. But, if you happen to be an old school guy who curses like a sailor around the boys but thinks it is inappropriate to curse in front of women, I'd personally prefer that you not say something like, "hey buddy, don't you know better than to curse in fronnt of a lady" because that kind of statement singles me out and makes it seem like I've broken into the boys' clubhouse and now they can't have fun anymore, and I don't want that.

And, of course, if actual physical violence is taking place (not that I've personally ever seen any), I would appreciate any assistance other players could provide in controlling the situation.

So, I guess the bottom line for me is feel free to speak your mind, but don't feel the need to speak for me.

I've said this many times - I think more GUYS should stand up and say something when another guys has crossed a line.

I don't NEED anyone to stand up for me, so it's not about white-knighting. It's about letting the boor/******* know that he's not funny and that sort of behavior isn't acceptable. Sometimes when a woman stands up for herself, she just gets called an uptight bitch, or told she should lighten up and have a sense of humor. If more guys would just say something like "WTF, man? Not funny/cool," those type of comments would become globally less common, IMO.

Usually those morons are huge fish and are generally berating everyone and not just the women, but are dumping so much money, its a double edged sword for sure. Most guys dont wanna be the 1st person to stand up to verbal shenanigans from table donator, but i do agree it should be something to be looked down on.

Half the time, ^this. Although the worst I really see things go at my local room is before the line flirting and off-hand comments that you really can't say anything about without looking like a complete tool as a third party. Then again the other day this woman played a hand perfectly w/ a FH vs a FD and after she won without showing needled the hell out of the guy next to her with pretty passive comments until he blew up, said some extremely inappropriate things and left the table after we all bitched him out...still not sure entirely who's at fault.

Also, in regards to Mpethy's story I'm surprised I haven't had to shut someone down for homophobic comments yet. I generally am assumed to be straight, so it's funny when the presumably entirely straight table starts talking about how gay MMA must be (lol), but I've yet to hear them say anything outright offensive...but then again, maybe it's just Canada.

My 2 cents.

I don't see any reason for ladies to be any better or worse on the math fudamentals, etc. I think women are probably more attentive at the table and able to appreciate table dynamics better than men, by and large.

I think a lot of women care too much about what the other players are thinking about them at the table. Almost as if some would prefer to win a little and be thought of as a solid player who conducts themselves properly, rather than someone who won a lot of money but was disliked or thought of as a weak player.

I reckon that Selbst is by far the best female player and as good as any of the male players. A big reason for this is that she doesn't seem to care if she is liked. She wants to be feared. Perhaps, even she appears to care a little too much about other players believing she is a good player though - needing to justify her play when she loses a big pot, etc.

I guess women tend to handle their lives better and are less likely to be heavy drinkers or drug takers than men. I suppose women place much greater priority on their relationships than going out and getting loaded and are more likely to let relationship problems effect their play.

The bottom line is that, if you show up at your local small stakes casino and get into games, you are not going to be popular if you 3-bet a lot and play a generally aggressive style which is successful. There are usually just a few regs who do this (usually not very well, but well enough to make money) and they don't like to see a new threat to their win-rate from a newcomer, regardless of their gender.

If you are popular, it is usually because you aren't very good and they aren't worried about you. If you are good, then it makes sense for them to make you feel uncomfortable playing there. You aren't going to 'unlearn' the game, so all they can do is try and make you not want to show up again.

But ya'll bitched the guy out based on duplicitous default anyway... great play

Most guys see women as weak passive fish, who can be pushed off strong hands more times than not by firing multiple barrells. Men also think women will always have it when firing more than one barrell and/or raising post flop. The aforementioned is definitely true in some cases, but there are also a few decent women poker players out there as well. One of the women I played against in a live 10/20 NLHE game recently, chopped up the table. Although she was on the heater of a lifetime, she played most of the hands pretty well and definitely used her "image" to her advantage.

GL ladies

agree

Becuase my name online is JimmyChooFnd most guys think im a guy called Jimmy stupid men lol

I like this thread. Keep it up girls, I been lurking since I'm a guy... But I love it.
I'm usually defending the women at my tables, they are always very nice and I can't believe men will pick on them and feel ashamed to get rocked by a girl. Silly boys

I myself enjoy the ladies at the table

It's interesting hearing some of these stories about the women getting berated at the table. I've personally never seen it and glad I haven't. Of the women that have sat at my tables over the years, only a small handful were real fish, the rest were just as good as anybody else playing.

I do recall a couple of ladies that occasionally played at South Point in Vegas. They would let (mostly younger) guys fawn all over them while they were taking their stacks left and right. It was quite amusing to watch.

When we lived in KC my wife would play sometimes at Harrahs. One day she went up in the morning and played for a few hours, doing quite well. She finally decided to cash out and said "Sorry boys, I've got to go clean house". They dealer was a woman as well at the moment and said "Honey, you already did."

Confirmed... We should definitely try to have better control over our emotions... From now on I'll model my game after calm men like Tony G., Mike the Mouth, and Phil Hellmuth.

Here is a share I guarantee no guy ever experienced at a poker table and something a woman has to deal with:

I'm sitting at the Santa Fe Station Casino in Vegas a few years back. Playing with all the locals in low limit (only 3 tables open, seats full). Wilford Brimley looking 65 year old local that plays there all the time is in seat 2. Not my first time playing with him since I'm a local as well. I'm card dead in seat 7. As the night progresses, he keeps drinking Heineken's and looking at me from time to time, not talking.
I'm almost never in a hand with him, and don't say a word to him. I have the seat change button to the first available seat that opens up. Seat 1 opens and I move next to him.

Now he turns his whole body around and starts staring. I politely ignore it. The people at the table start looking puzzled and the dealer glances at me. He keeps drinking. Then the starts.
"What's your name"? Normally, I give it. This time...
"I don't give out my name to strangers".
"Where are you from?"
"My mother's womb".
"Come tell me what your name is. I'm in love with you".
"I don't want to give you my name sir".
"But I really love you"
And he starts reaching for my hair/shoulder to caress it.
"Please stop sir, I am feeling uncomfortable with this behavior"
"But I want to be with you" (SIXTY FIVE)
He then actually touches my shoulder and i take his hand off it.

I look at the dealer and ask her to call the floor, by this time, everyone at the table has a look of concern and the floor must have been signaled earlier, cause there are two 70 year old security people on the sideline. The floor comes over, calls him by his first name (long time local) and says, "Hey dear, We'll pick up your chips, and why don't you go home for the night"?

He gets up and leaves, followed by the 70 year old thugs.

We sit back, make a few light hearted jokes with some nervous laughter and continue playing. So you think it's over, don't you?

20 minutes later... I see people at my table craning their necks to look behind me...People start standing up... Now they start looking at me....

"Hey, that guy is coming back, you better get out of your seat and move behind someone" A huge 300 lbs 6'5" dude from the next table stands up and says "Get behind me".

I get up and move behind him, still confused. Then i see this 65 year old Wilford Brimley looking mustached geezer, SPRINTING towards me across the casino with the two 70 year old security guards running behind him, trying to stop him. They caught up to him just as he was about to enter the poker room. Now there are about 5 security guards around as they escort him out of the casino. The are about 5 or 6 guys around me in a protective circle. The police were called to put him in the drunk tank and arrested him for trespassing, since he came back after they escorted him out for the night. He was permanently banned from the casino.

I mean I'm sorry for your experience, but I'm going to guess most women don't have to deal with a creepy stalker at the poker table either.

While the above story is an extreme example, I have more than enough other stories where guys are blatantly (forget about the subtle ones) hitting on me, not taking no for an answer. I've had them watching me as I play (constantly trying to get into my field of view, whatever seat I sat in) and I'm talking over multiple days, multiple sessions, both tourneys and cash games. More than one guy. I've had guys follow me outside the poker room as I left the tables.

I've had guys try to "interview" me at the table to see if I was good enough to be their local "f**k" when they came around to town again. I'm like.. WTF??? I'm not applying for the position!!!! Not now, not EVER.

"Are you married?"
"Do you have a boyfriend?"
"What kind of car do you drive?"
"Do you own or rent?"

Love the one where a guy tried to recruit me to be a prostitute in Vegas. "You're pretty enough to do convention modeling. You can make some extra money on video chats". AGGHGHGH. This is being said in front of the whole table and the dealer!!! How on earth am I supposed to respond to that??? "No thank you, sir.", as my mental jaw dropped.

In all the time I've ever sat at a poker table, I've only only witnessed one woman slightly flirting with a guy and the guy was totally oblivious. We all had to tell him what she was doing when she went to the restroom.

I've worn headphones, I've worn glasses, I've "read" my kindle or poker mag. Doesn't stop them. I've had people tap me on the shoulder to ask personal questions when I ignored them by pretending to be listening to music. They just ask louder or ask me to take my head phones off.

Through my years of live play, I made a rule to never go out with guys I've met at a poker table. I go there to work, not to be picked up or to pick up. Last thing I need in this small poker community is to walk into a room and say "Hey, I've done half the guys here!". I only broke my rule once, met a guy in a tournament and we went out for a month and a half. I didn't know how wise I was to have instituted that rule in the first place till I realized stupid I was to break it.

So to answer the heading of the thread... The professional guys look at us as a threat or easy money, i.e. we are just another player. The occasional (especially drunk) guys look at us like we're there locked up in a seat for them to hit on or prey on, since no self respecting woman would ever hang around them long enough outside a poker table to even give them her name.

Obviously no one should ever be made to feel uncomfortable at their job, whether that is an office or the poker table.

Well, I suppose it's a good thing we don't play tennis...

http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/post...bartoli-deemed

Reading this made me physically sick.

Judging by the locked accounts it seems that a number of these people have been receiving the kind of unpleasantness they dished out. I suspect that the response has been considerably more vile than the offence as is usually the case with these internet incidents. I wonder what the girlfriends in the profile pictures think of their boyfriend's sense of humour.

There needs to be a wider debate about how institutions, employers and the law deal with internet abuse but one would hope that there are enough sisters, girlfriends, mothers, and decent men and women 'following' the men who posted to not allow the comments to go unremarked.

I remember a few years ago, Bartoli didn't even have a clothing sponsor, just because no one wanted her to wear their clothes.

"I'm probably not blonde enough, not tall enough, and not thin enough," she said at the time.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010...bartoli-tennis

No, but she was badass enough to win the pinnacle of her sport.

OOPS?

Lmao!!!