**Rainbow Flops: The GLBTQ Discussion Thread**

[SGT RJ]

Thank you for sharing your story.

We have had a well known trans player (Rosa Lee) comment in another thread, if you search this forum I'm sure you'll find it.

I think the difficulty with including the T into the LGBT community is that while LGB are sexual orientations (they describe who you are romantically/sexually attracted to), T is gender identity. They get lumped together for advocacy purposes, but they aren't really the same thing at all.

I think a lot of the confusion comes from how to label the sexual orientation of a trans individual (lol at needing labels, but humans naturally seem to seek organization and boxes to put things in). Is a MTF individual who is attracted to men straight (matching his assumed/felt gender identity) or gay (matching his biological gender)? I believe it's straight, but it seems to cause some people as much confusion as trying to figure out plot lines that involve time travel. And, of course, a lot of anger towards people who dare to go against the gender "God" assigned them at birth.

Anyway, I hope you enjoy this community and find some support here.

[Breanne]

Originally Posted by SGT RJ

Thank you for sharing your story.

We have had a well known trans player (Rosa Lee) comment in another thread, if you search this forum I'm sure you'll find it.

I think the difficulty with including the T into the LGBT community is that while LGB are sexual orientations (they describe who you are romantically/sexually attracted to), T is gender identity. They get lumped together for advocacy purposes, but they aren't really the same thing at all.

I think a lot of the confusion comes from how to label the sexual orientation of a trans individual (lol at needing labels, but humans naturally seem to seek organization and boxes to put things in). Is a MTF individual who is attracted to men straight (matching his assumed/felt gender identity) or gay (matching his biological gender)? I believe it's straight, but it seems to cause some people as much confusion as trying to figure out plot lines that involve time travel. And, of course, a lot of anger towards people who dare to go against the gender "God" assigned them at birth.

Anyway, I hope you enjoy this community and find some support here.

Thanks SGT. And thanks alot for telling me about rosa, the thread in twss was a nice read, however the big thread in NVG (filled with douchebags) almost made me cry. Probably shouldn't of read that trash, but its hard not to see stuff like that, the amount of arrogance in that thread really hurt me.

Originally Posted by SGT RJ

I think the difficulty with including the T into the LGBT community is that while LGB are sexual orientations (they describe who you are romantically/sexually attracted to), T is gender identity. They get lumped together for advocacy purposes, but they aren't really the same thing at all

This is absolutely correct, it isn't the same thing at all. But we still should be apart of the community. We are the ones who face the most discrimination (not a competition) and we need the support of the GLB community to stand up for us.

Anways thanks for carring , I am really sorry for trying to make this thread all about me, that's not my intention at all.

Some1 talk about their relationship!

[SGT RJ]

Originally Posted by Breanne

Thanks SGT. And thanks alot for telling me about rosa, the thread in twss was a nice read, however the big thread in NVG (filled with douchebags) almost made me cry. Probably shouldn't of read that trash, but its hard not to see stuff like that, the amount of arrogance in that thread really hurt me.

As an NVG mod, I have to reluctantly agree that it is filled with douchebags.

However, many of those type of posters have suddenly discovered that if they post gay jokes in NVG and I catch them, they end up with the post deleted and an infraction. Then they send me angry PMs. And then I laugh at their stupidity.

[ITT666]

I wish more than anything i wasn't this way and am very scared of the road ahead of me.

This right here, is the real tragedy caused by ignorance, narrow mindedness, and bigotry.

That it would make you, or any one else, afraid, and scared to the point of wishing so much that you weren't this way, that you weren't you. That's what really tares me up inside.

The road ahead of you will be rough, you're right, but I hope, I really hope, that one day, when you've made your full transition you will be not only content and happy with your life but also fully comfortable with who you are and no longer wishing you were something, or somebody else.




I am not a Trans individual myself, but many of my ex - girlfriends are M2F Transgender, so I do know a little bit where you are coming from, and what you are going through.

Most of my M2F exes are Filipino or Thai (and I was with them while I was in the Philippines and Thailand.) They were mostly accepted by their friends and family, but it's a very different culture in those countries then it is here. I guess they were lucky for that.

Even still though, I could see, even just within their own heads, their own minds, they would sometimes have a conflict of feelings, and some confusion over just exactly how they felt, mostly feminine but sometimes with a twinge of masculinity.

It's not easy, I can tell that for sure.

I hope, that all goes well for you in your transition, and that one day, your family and friends will accept you for who you are, but remember the two most important things in your life.

1. That you are happy

and

2. That you know who you are, and YOU accept who you are.


You have my support, understanding and best wishes, and I feel it safe to say you have the support, understanding and best wishes of everyone else in this thread as well.

So remember, any time it gets particularly tough, or you are feeling really alone or down, you can also come in here, and we can help you through the rough times and the painful ones as well.

I know we are, more or less, strangers to you, but at least it's better then nothing at all.

[Breanne]

Originally Posted by ITT666

This right here, is the real tragedy caused by ignorance, narrow mindedness, and bigotry.

That it would make you, or any one else, afraid, and scared to the point of wishing so much that you weren't this way, that you weren't you. That's what really tares me up inside.

The road ahead of you will be rough, you're right, but I hope, I really hope, that one day, when you've made your full transition you will be not only content and happy with your life but also fully comfortable with who you are and no longer wishing you were something, or somebody else.

)

Thanks for caring. But being trans is different from being homosexual. I wish i was born as a female, and didn't have to deal with all of this, is that so wrong? Ignorance, narrow mindedness? That is pretty ridiculous imo, why can't I wish i was born the way I should be? I would still be me, just the right gender. I don't wish I was somebody else, I just wish I was a female.

[ITT666]

Thanks for caring. But being trans is different from being homosexual. I wish i was born as a female, and didn't have to deal with all of this, is that so wrong? Ignorance, narrow mindedness? That is pretty ridiculous imo, why can't I wish i was born the way I should be? I would still be me, just the right gender. I don't wish I was somebody else, I just wish I was a female.

I didn't mean your ignorance and narrow mindedness, I meant ignorance and narrow mindedness of the society that makes you feel scared to come out, and scared to be who you are, who you will be happy being.


Also, misunderstood what you meant when you said, you wish you weren't the way you are.

I assumed you meant, you wish you were just a 'normal' male, that you both were a male, and felt like a male as well. I didn't know you meant, you wished you had the female genitalia to go along with your female feelings.

That totally makes sense, I just figured you were saying, you wished you could just feel male as well as being male, so that you could fit in better with the society you live in.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

But being trans is different from being homosexual.

I'm not gay, and, as I mentioned, I have had a number of intimate romantic relationships with transgender M2F individuals. That's why I felt I could offer a bit of insight. Of course, I realize, that still doesn't mean I am one of them myself, and of course all of my experience and insights are based only upon my observations of my exes as another human being, not based on my own personal inner experiences or feelings.

Still, I feel I have a stronger grasp and understanding of those in the T part of the LGBT then most of the rest of the LGB do, but that doesn't mean I know all that much, and clearly, I misunderstood you a bit in what you were saying before, so sorry for that.

Overall though, just trying to be supportive and helpful.

[tringlomane]

I was reading Breanne's post on her transgender issues, and it was quite on point, and definitely adds to this thread. But when I saw the "banned" status, I had to be more curious. Basically all the rest of her posts are trolling/LC; it's unfortunate.

[AAmaz0n]

Originally Posted by tringlomane

I was reading Breanne's post on her transgender issues, and it was quite on point, and definitely adds to this thread. But when I saw the "banned" status, I had to be more curious. Basically all the rest of her posts are trolling/LC; it's unfortunate.

Well, if she really is 18 and trans, I can tell you that she is probably in a very difficult headspace. Not to excuse trolling, but it's difficult to express yourself coherently when you life is incomprehensible even to yourself.

I can't begin to tell you just how much turmoil I went though before transition, or most of the other transwomen that I know for that matter. We all tended to be pretty moody and emotionally overwrought, mostly because we had a hard time coming to grips with who we really were, envisioned futures that were fairly bleak, and couldn't begin to understand how the heck we were going to get from here to there. It's a wonder that most us even survived in one piece, but the good news is that we did finally find answers and things really did get better.

It's good to be able to look back on those times and realize that the struggle was worth it, and that life is better now than we could have imagined. But it was a real life-or-death heartbreaking climb up that hill at the time.

Knowing how difficult it can be is why I'm always open to helping transgender folks who are just starting out and trying to find their way. Assuming this isn't some kind of weird troll I would be looking to help her out if/when she isn't banned. Not sure how find out if it's a temp or perma ban or what it was for.

Shauna

[Omareth]

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[SGT RJ]

Unfortunately, breanne had several previously banned accounts for trolling, and was banned by another moderator when found.

[ITT666]

Unfortunately, breanne had several previously banned accounts for trolling, and was banned by another moderator when found.

Any reason to think her story isn't legit though?

I looked at a few of her other threads and I was skeptical, and thought perhaps she was a troll.

Her posts in here though, seem pretty real and genuinely legit.

[SGT RJ]

Originally Posted by ITT666

Any reason to think her story isn't legit though?

I looked at a few of her other threads and I was skeptical, and thought perhaps she was a troll.

Her posts in here though, seem pretty real and genuinely legit.

I have no real way to answer that.

I thought she seemed legitimate in here as well, but she has also trolled in the past. The two aren't incompatible - she could have been completely honest in here and also enjoyed trolling other threads/forums. It's unfortunate her past was discovered so quickly if she really was looking for support in this forum, but anyone with multiple past deleted accounts isn't going to have any leeway.

[koojeremy]

Every so often I check on 2p2 for a well-moderated thread like this, and I'm glad it's finally been made.

Originally Posted by Rcwillie1

I just try to relentlessly put in hidden gay references and hope that I'll meet someone like that at the table. I'm a romantic dreamer.

That's been my strategy too. I seem to miss my runner-runner one-outer every time though.

[Breanne1]

In before i get snap banned with no warning. Im not some weird troll, and what I posted itt was not trolling obviously. I don't have much of a life and have little to no friends, which causes me to post stupid things on the interwebs. I guess i made some irrelevant troll posts that aren't acceptable, but it just amazes me how you see everyone post trash and walk away with their high post count. I will not troll anymore, and I will not post stupid things as I really enjoy this place.


I strong hope that I dont get insta banned because I was really hoping to get to know the twss community, and people from this thread as well. I know that I will be banned though, whatever. Not 1 post I made in twss was troll or anything, I did go a little troll crazy in bbv4l/bbv because I was bored. That was stupid I agree.


I went to therapy today for the first time today, and It was a wonderful experience. Talking to someone about these feelings was an amazing experience for me and was quite emotional. Im starting to realize how long of a process this is, which will not be easy by any means. My therapist figures the first step for me should be to get involved in the glbt community, and start making some friends. Visit a local group and get out there talking to people in similar situations. Try and meet a boy, try anything social. Do not sit at home playing poker all day.

Anway cya before i get banned.

Originally Posted by SGT RJ

I thought she seemed legitimate in here as well, but she has also trolled in the past. The two aren't incompatible - she could have been completely honest in here and also enjoyed trolling other threads/forums. It's unfortunate her past was discovered so quickly if she really was looking for support in this forum, but anyone with multiple past deleted accounts isn't going to have any leeway.

ding. Bye.

Shauna, I would really like to talk with you in more detail if you wanted to help me out. So before i get banned, email me at xxmcnallyxx@hotmail.com if you would like to talk with me more.

[tringlomane]

Originally Posted by AAmaz0n

Well, if she really is 18 and trans, I can tell you that she is probably in a very difficult headspace. Not to excuse trolling, but it's difficult to express yourself coherently when you life is incomprehensible even to yourself.

I can't begin to tell you just how much turmoil I went though before transition, or most of the other transwomen that I know for that matter. We all tended to be pretty moody and emotionally overwrought, mostly because we had a hard time coming to grips with who we really were, envisioned futures that were fairly bleak, and couldn't begin to understand how the heck we were going to get from here to there. It's a wonder that most us even survived in one piece, but the good news is that we did finally find answers and things really did get better.

It's good to be able to look back on those times and realize that the struggle was worth it, and that life is better now than we could have imagined. But it was a real life-or-death heartbreaking climb up that hill at the time.

Knowing how difficult it can be is why I'm always open to helping transgender folks who are just starting out and trying to find their way. Assuming this isn't some kind of weird troll I would be looking to help her out if/when she isn't banned. Not sure how find out if it's a temp or perma ban or what it was for.

Shauna

Absolutely, which is why I said it was unfortunate for the whole trolling thing. When I was 18, I thought sex/relationships was difficult enough without any LGBT affiliation! My guess is she also used this place to vent out and/or is just aggressive brash with regard to general poker discussion. 2+2 will only tolerate so much of that, which I am generally thankful for.

Originally Posted by SGT RJ

I have no real way to answer that.

I thought she seemed legitimate in here as well, but she has also trolled in the past. The two aren't incompatible - she could have been completely honest in here and also enjoyed trolling other threads/forums. It's unfortunate her past was discovered so quickly if she really was looking for support in this forum, but anyone with multiple past deleted accounts isn't going to have any leeway.

Totally agree. Just because she could be a positive influence in this section, doesn't mean we could let her crap all over the rest of the forum. I would also like to take the time to say thanks for modding that cluster-bomb known as NVG.