**Rainbow Flops: The GLBTQ Discussion Thread**

[killa]

Originally Posted by katie75013

Yea, guess we were working on it at the same time.
I was giving the infraction and by the time I finished, the post had been deleted.

np and hes banned too perm...screw ppl like that imo. if you ever feel a need to pull a trigger and are a bit unsure just hit me up I will gladly do it jm3 knows the drill too

[loch ness monster]

Originally Posted by killa

np and hes banned too perm...screw ppl like that imo. if you ever feel a need to pull a trigger and are a bit unsure just hit me up I will gladly do it jm3 knows the drill too

that meme he posted was just quoting protential, shugbomb is not a biggot or anything, he just wanted ppl to know that protential is a racist who started a glbt thread.

Spoiler:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...5&postcount=69

sure maybe shugbomb deserves an infraction, but banning him? pretty harsh imo

[killa]

he enjoys stirring up ****. Its documented in his profile. He also brings a fight from another forum to here , which is a relatively mellow vibe.
Im willing to reverse the perm to a 7 day temp and some points and note his profile again. IDC what his excuse is for dragging a fight here but quoting something because someone else did it is never cool, ever.
Officer I was just following...yea i know you were ...
Thats not a "meme" go read what a meme is , that's someone taking a quote and putting it on a picture.
Also I'd rather not have this thread derailed if you wish open discussion your welcome to an ATF thread but if you wish to try and resolve it you are welcome to PM me.

[CKBWoP]

I had a "moment" this past Saturday at the Lingerie Football League game. I guess it never dawned on me before, but during a timeout or something of that sort, they did a "Kiss Cam" and made a statement about husbands grabbing your wives, etc etc etc. The heteronormativity of such a thing hadn't really struck me before, but I had spoken with a friend (who happens to be a lesbian) earlier in the day about going to the game with me and knew that there was a non-hetero contingent in the crowd.

I'm sure there are plenty of occurrences of this sort that go by unnoticed (by me), but I'm wondering if this is something that GLBT folks are bothered by a lot or if it's something that kinda slides off the back (not to say that it isn't troubling, but that it doesn't sink one into a major funk).

The only way that I can try to equivocate the feeling is to think of how often I hear something that's disparaging or presumptive regarding women or Asians and how that impacts me. While I've gotten "used to" idiotic assumptions about sex / race, I feel that I am a bit more sensitive when it comes to idiotic assumptions about sexual orientation.

Not really sure why that is.

Just throwing it out there because it's been on my mind since Saturday.

[mrmossy84]

A team I interned for had a "Kiss Cam" segment every game. The end would almost always be either two opposing male players or two male fans being featured while the crowd laughed out loud, basically insinuating how wrong it was for two of the same sex to be featured on this kiss cam. Always bothered me a little bit, but considering I would probably be the only one in a crowd of 15,000+ to really care, I never brought it up (I was working in game entertainment so I could have technically brought up my viewpoint to the right people)

[Rcwillie1]

People are just dense - I wear pretty loud clothing a lot of the time, and still, people ask for my opinions or make comments to me about girls. I just try to relentlessly put in hidden gay references and hope that I'll meet someone like that at the table. I'm a romantic dreamer.

Somehow I always try to get into conversations about sports, which I'm mostly clueless about, but a few sessions ago I tried a new approach.

Someone asked, "Rodgers or Brady," to the rest of the table.
"Well, Brady has a better face, but I'd pick Rodgers' body all day."

l-o-fricking-l /attemptedhumor
f-heteronormativity

[Protential]

Originally Posted by CKBWoP

I had a "moment" this past Saturday at the Lingerie Football League game. I guess it never dawned on me before, but during a timeout or something of that sort, they did a "Kiss Cam" and made a statement about husbands grabbing your wives, etc etc etc. The heteronormativity of such a thing hadn't really struck me before, but I had spoken with a friend (who happens to be a lesbian) earlier in the day about going to the game with me and knew that there was a non-hetero contingent in the crowd.

I'm sure there are plenty of occurrences of this sort that go by unnoticed (by me), but I'm wondering if this is something that GLBT folks are bothered by a lot or if it's something that kinda slides off the back (not to say that it isn't troubling, but that it doesn't sink one into a major funk).

The only way that I can try to equivocate the feeling is to think of how often I hear something that's disparaging or presumptive regarding women or Asians and how that impacts me. While I've gotten "used to" idiotic assumptions about sex / race, I feel that I am a bit more sensitive when it comes to idiotic assumptions about sexual orientation.

Not really sure why that is.

Just throwing it out there because it's been on my mind since Saturday.

At times, but for the most part no. The world is a heteronormative place. What is annoying, to me, is when people make clearly bigoted, ignorant and hateful remarks and use words like gay in a negative context.

As people's knowledge on the GLBT community expands and as our society becomes a much more accepting place, things like the above will get much better. Just a matter of time, and calling people out on their bull ****.

[tringlomane]

Originally Posted by Protential

At times, but for the most part no. The world is a heteronormative place.

Agreed. On things like Kiss Cam, you always have to bail out on male/female because it's the most likely pairing and should result in the most kisses. Even though most of the hetero kisses suck in these segments.

Originally Posted by mrmossy84

A team I interned for had a "Kiss Cam" segment every game. The end would almost always be either two opposing male players or two male fans being featured while the crowd laughed out loud, basically insinuating how wrong it was for two of the same sex to be featured on this kiss cam. Always bothered me a little bit, but considering I would probably be the only one in a crowd of 15,000+ to really care, I never brought it up (I was working in game entertainment so I could have technically brought up my viewpoint to the right people)

The St. Louis Blues hockey club has been known to do this as well. One game I attended vs. the Calgary Flames they ended the segment with two men in Calgary jerseys. They proceeded to make out, and the crowd and I gave them the biggest cheer of the segment.

[Dominic]

Originally Posted by sirswish6

isnt Martina Navratilova gay?

Martina was forcibly outed by a scummy sports journalist in Florida, before the 1981 Final of the WTA Championships with Chris Evert in Amelia Island, FL. I know, because I was there. Martina was so distraught she lost the final to Evert 6-0, 6-0.

I was a senior in high school, and I was there with my family, who had a place in the resort. We later moved there for good. That day, I was working the tournament and led both Navratilova and Evert onto the court, and then off of it after the match.

During the presentations after the match, Martina apologized to the crowd for her performance and broke down. Evert put her arms around her and the whole crowd stood up, applauded and chanted Martina's name over and over.

This was a pretty conservative crowd in North Florida. Mostly white and wealthy. And they stood together - in 1981 - and let Martina know that they did not care about her sexuality. we loved her as an athlete.

I'm still quite proud I was there that day and that people who loved tennis didn't give two ****s about what the scummy reporter wrote about.

[Dominic]

Originally Posted by mrmossy84

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Other than that I get the typical banter at the tables, but remaining quiet for now. I've had a hard time the last few months "pretending" I'm straight. Anytime someone asks me my opinion on a waitress or another player I kind of give the 'yeah shes cute' BS line but that's all I can muster. I don't even think anyone will care (at least not to my face anyway), just struggling to find the point to out myself and deal with all the extra BS that comes with it.

No need to out yourself if you don't want to...just say, "eh, she's not really not my type. Cute girl, tho."

[Dominic]

Wondering what you guys think about Cynthia Nixon saying she's "gay by choice."

[DonkeySlayer81]

She chose her words incorrectly while making that speech. I took it as she's bi sexual ldo or perhaps she didn't explore until later in life, but I can see how most people would interpret that as her saying homosexuality is a choice.

[fslexcduck]

Originally Posted by Dominic

Wondering what you guys think about Cynthia Nixon saying she's "gay by choice."

I think this is totally fine and everyone calling her out on it should stfu. She may feel she personally is gay by choice, and who is everyone else to say that is not her experience? She never said it wasn't possible for anyone else to be gay not by choice - just that she feels she is. I also think there is some choice for a lot of people in living a homosexual life - myself included.

It's also a good point she makes that it shouldn't matter whether being gay is a choice or not - why should choosing a certain lifestyle make one less entitled to human rights? The LGBT movement wants to claim being gay isn't a choice in order to create sympathy and depict a picture of us as victims of a birth-defect of sorts... that way, it is simply cruel to subject us to a life without rights when it wasn't our fault! But really, that is simply not the lived experience for a lot of people, and I think it's BS to hate on someone for saying it, simply because a lot of conservatives aren't comfortable allowing people to choose to live a lifestyle that isn't going to church every week and having as many babies as a wife's uterus can hold.

[Protential]

Originally Posted by fslexcduck

I think this is totally fine and everyone calling her out on it should stfu. She may feel she personally is gay by choice, and who is everyone else to say that is not her experience? She never said it wasn't possible for anyone else to be gay not by choice - just that she feels she is. I also think there is some choice for a lot of people in living a homosexual life - myself included.

It's also a good point she makes that it shouldn't matter whether being gay is a choice or not - why should choosing a certain lifestyle make one less entitled to human rights? The LGBT movement wants to claim being gay isn't a choice in order to create sympathy and depict a picture of us as victims of a birth-defect of sorts... that way, it is simply cruel to subject us to a life without rights when it wasn't our fault! But really, that is simply not the lived experience for a lot of people, and I think it's BS to hate on someone for saying it, simply because a lot of conservatives aren't comfortable allowing people to choose to live a lifestyle that isn't going to church every week and having as many babies as a wife's uterus can hold.

This obv!

[Superfluous Man]

Originally Posted by Dominic

Wondering what you guys think about Cynthia Nixon saying she's "gay by choice."

Was going to post on exactly this topic after reading this article: http://blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.uk...gay-by-choice/ . Feel like the article (and Vanessa obv) hits the nail on the head.