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Old 02-02-2012, 04:47 PM   #126
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Thanks for caring. But being trans is different from being homosexual. I wish i was born as a female, and didn't have to deal with all of this, is that so wrong? Ignorance, narrow mindedness? That is pretty ridiculous imo, why can't I wish i was born the way I should be? I would still be me, just the right gender. I don't wish I was somebody else, I just wish I was a female.
I didn't mean your ignorance and narrow mindedness, I meant ignorance and narrow mindedness of the society that makes you feel scared to come out, and scared to be who you are, who you will be happy being.


Also, misunderstood what you meant when you said, you wish you weren't the way you are.

I assumed you meant, you wish you were just a 'normal' male, that you both were a male, and felt like a male as well. I didn't know you meant, you wished you had the female genitalia to go along with your female feelings.

That totally makes sense, I just figured you were saying, you wished you could just feel male as well as being male, so that you could fit in better with the society you live in.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.


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But being trans is different from being homosexual.
I'm not gay, and, as I mentioned, I have had a number of intimate romantic relationships with transgender M2F individuals. That's why I felt I could offer a bit of insight. Of course, I realize, that still doesn't mean I am one of them myself, and of course all of my experience and insights are based only upon my observations of my exes as another human being, not based on my own personal inner experiences or feelings.

Still, I feel I have a stronger grasp and understanding of those in the T part of the LGBT then most of the rest of the LGB do, but that doesn't mean I know all that much, and clearly, I misunderstood you a bit in what you were saying before, so sorry for that.

Overall though, just trying to be supportive and helpful.
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Old 02-03-2012, 04:36 AM   #127
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I was reading Breanne's post on her transgender issues, and it was quite on point, and definitely adds to this thread. But when I saw the "banned" status, I had to be more curious. Basically all the rest of her posts are trolling/LC; it's unfortunate.
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Old 02-03-2012, 05:17 AM   #128
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I was reading Breanne's post on her transgender issues, and it was quite on point, and definitely adds to this thread. But when I saw the "banned" status, I had to be more curious. Basically all the rest of her posts are trolling/LC; it's unfortunate.
Well, if she really is 18 and trans, I can tell you that she is probably in a very difficult headspace. Not to excuse trolling, but it's difficult to express yourself coherently when you life is incomprehensible even to yourself.

I can't begin to tell you just how much turmoil I went though before transition, or most of the other transwomen that I know for that matter. We all tended to be pretty moody and emotionally overwrought, mostly because we had a hard time coming to grips with who we really were, envisioned futures that were fairly bleak, and couldn't begin to understand how the heck we were going to get from here to there. It's a wonder that most us even survived in one piece, but the good news is that we did finally find answers and things really did get better.

It's good to be able to look back on those times and realize that the struggle was worth it, and that life is better now than we could have imagined. But it was a real life-or-death heartbreaking climb up that hill at the time.

Knowing how difficult it can be is why I'm always open to helping transgender folks who are just starting out and trying to find their way. Assuming this isn't some kind of weird troll I would be looking to help her out if/when she isn't banned. Not sure how find out if it's a temp or perma ban or what it was for.

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Old 02-03-2012, 06:42 AM   #129
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Old 02-03-2012, 10:48 AM   #130
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Unfortunately, breanne had several previously banned accounts for trolling, and was banned by another moderator when found.
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Old 02-03-2012, 10:54 AM   #131
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Unfortunately, breanne had several previously banned accounts for trolling, and was banned by another moderator when found.
Any reason to think her story isn't legit though?

I looked at a few of her other threads and I was skeptical, and thought perhaps she was a troll.

Her posts in here though, seem pretty real and genuinely legit.
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Old 02-03-2012, 02:25 PM   #132
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Any reason to think her story isn't legit though?

I looked at a few of her other threads and I was skeptical, and thought perhaps she was a troll.

Her posts in here though, seem pretty real and genuinely legit.
I have no real way to answer that.

I thought she seemed legitimate in here as well, but she has also trolled in the past. The two aren't incompatible - she could have been completely honest in here and also enjoyed trolling other threads/forums. It's unfortunate her past was discovered so quickly if she really was looking for support in this forum, but anyone with multiple past deleted accounts isn't going to have any leeway.
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Old 02-04-2012, 12:32 AM   #133
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Every so often I check on 2p2 for a well-moderated thread like this, and I'm glad it's finally been made.

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I just try to relentlessly put in hidden gay references and hope that I'll meet someone like that at the table. I'm a romantic dreamer.
That's been my strategy too. I seem to miss my runner-runner one-outer every time though.
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Old 02-04-2012, 12:48 AM   #134
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In before i get snap banned with no warning. Im not some weird troll, and what I posted itt was not trolling obviously. I don't have much of a life and have little to no friends, which causes me to post stupid things on the interwebs. I guess i made some irrelevant troll posts that aren't acceptable, but it just amazes me how you see everyone post trash and walk away with their high post count. I will not troll anymore, and I will not post stupid things as I really enjoy this place.


I strong hope that I dont get insta banned because I was really hoping to get to know the twss community, and people from this thread as well. I know that I will be banned though, whatever. Not 1 post I made in twss was troll or anything, I did go a little troll crazy in bbv4l/bbv because I was bored. That was stupid I agree.


I went to therapy today for the first time today, and It was a wonderful experience. Talking to someone about these feelings was an amazing experience for me and was quite emotional. Im starting to realize how long of a process this is, which will not be easy by any means. My therapist figures the first step for me should be to get involved in the glbt community, and start making some friends. Visit a local group and get out there talking to people in similar situations. Try and meet a boy, try anything social. Do not sit at home playing poker all day.

Anway cya before i get banned.


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I thought she seemed legitimate in here as well, but she has also trolled in the past. The two aren't incompatible - she could have been completely honest in here and also enjoyed trolling other threads/forums. It's unfortunate her past was discovered so quickly if she really was looking for support in this forum, but anyone with multiple past deleted accounts isn't going to have any leeway.
ding. Bye.

Shauna, I would really like to talk with you in more detail if you wanted to help me out. So before i get banned, email me at xxmcnallyxx@hotmail.com if you would like to talk with me more.
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Old 02-04-2012, 12:49 AM   #135
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Well, if she really is 18 and trans, I can tell you that she is probably in a very difficult headspace. Not to excuse trolling, but it's difficult to express yourself coherently when you life is incomprehensible even to yourself.

I can't begin to tell you just how much turmoil I went though before transition, or most of the other transwomen that I know for that matter. We all tended to be pretty moody and emotionally overwrought, mostly because we had a hard time coming to grips with who we really were, envisioned futures that were fairly bleak, and couldn't begin to understand how the heck we were going to get from here to there. It's a wonder that most us even survived in one piece, but the good news is that we did finally find answers and things really did get better.

It's good to be able to look back on those times and realize that the struggle was worth it, and that life is better now than we could have imagined. But it was a real life-or-death heartbreaking climb up that hill at the time.

Knowing how difficult it can be is why I'm always open to helping transgender folks who are just starting out and trying to find their way. Assuming this isn't some kind of weird troll I would be looking to help her out if/when she isn't banned. Not sure how find out if it's a temp or perma ban or what it was for.

Shauna
Absolutely, which is why I said it was unfortunate for the whole trolling thing. When I was 18, I thought sex/relationships was difficult enough without any LGBT affiliation! My guess is she also used this place to vent out and/or is just aggressive brash with regard to general poker discussion. 2+2 will only tolerate so much of that, which I am generally thankful for.

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I have no real way to answer that.

I thought she seemed legitimate in here as well, but she has also trolled in the past. The two aren't incompatible - she could have been completely honest in here and also enjoyed trolling other threads/forums. It's unfortunate her past was discovered so quickly if she really was looking for support in this forum, but anyone with multiple past deleted accounts isn't going to have any leeway.
Totally agree. Just because she could be a positive influence in this section, doesn't mean we could let her crap all over the rest of the forum. I would also like to take the time to say thanks for modding that cluster-bomb known as NVG.

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Old 02-04-2012, 01:04 AM   #136
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Totally agree. Just because she could be a positive influence in this section, doesn't mean we could let her crap all over the rest of the forum..[/QUOTE]

Fair, I am really stupid sometimes if not all of the time. I really hope to not get banned though, as I need this thread and twss as well.

SGT RGT, possible to not get permabanned? Possible to ban me from bbv/bbv4l or something?
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Old 02-04-2012, 07:15 AM   #137
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Fair, I am really stupid sometimes if not all of the time. I really hope to not get banned though, as I need this thread and twss as well.

SGT RGT, possible to not get permabanned? Possible to ban me from bbv/bbv4l or something?
I suggest PMing (or emailing) either Bobo Fett or one of the admins and explain your situation. You've previously trolled this site in the past, enough that you have several past banned accounts, but you are young and trans and really want to contribute to the TWSS community and are asking for permission to stay.

Say you agree to stay out of whatever forum(s) you've primarily trolled, and that you're sorry for being a PITA in the past.

The decision will ultimately be made by more than one mod, but appealing to the people at the top, who tend to be pretty reasonable and laid back, is the approach I would take.

Read the sticky at the top of About the Forums, which should have an email address you can use when banned.
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Old 02-04-2012, 09:58 AM   #138
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http://www.reddit.com/r/transgender

http://www.reddit.com/r/lgbt/

2 sections of an awsome website that many of our glbt members will get a lot of enjoyment, support, and useful information from.

reddit is like the cliffnotes of the internet. It is an awsome site.
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Old 02-06-2012, 02:47 PM   #139
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Kids are viciously cruel.

I was constantly tormented in HS (not for being gay, although there were jokes about that as well, even though I'm straight), and it took years to rebuild my confidence after that experience.

Programs targeting bullying in school might be some of the most important, IMO.
Did they make fun of you for sounding like a boy?

I listened to your video's on the husng website and I thought you were a guy. The content was very good though. Nice job!
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Did they make fun of you for sounding like a boy?

I listened to your video's on the husng website and I thought you were a guy. The content was very good though. Nice job!
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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...itutional.html

prop 8 ruled unconstitutional ^.^
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You can't achieve big goals, without taking each and every step (no matter how small,) on the road to those big goals.

This is yet another one of those steps.
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You can't achieve big goals, without taking each and every step (no matter how small,) on the road to those big goals.

This is yet another one of those steps.
yup yup! on to the supreme court! A ruling from them supposedly within a year.
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yup yup! on to the supreme court! A ruling from them supposedly within a year.
Congrats to all this has a positive effect on and sorry to the haters!
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there's a joke to be had somewhere about kennedy

hmm: some people were up in arms about vaughn walker, a gay judge, ruling on prop 8. but how will it be any different at the supreme court? if the SC rules on it, it's likely that it will come down to Anthony Kennedy's vote, and he's notorious for going both ways.

meh.


also, reading the opinion now. hella narrow.

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yup yup! on to the supreme court! A ruling from them supposedly within a year.
Time to hope that Scalia, Alito, Thomas, Kennedy, or Roberts want to randomly quit in the next year?

If all five of those guys vote along with their general political stance, it's a no-go. Thomas/Kennedy could possibly flip I guess. I think Kennedy is always the flip vote...lol But I really don't follow politics terribly close. I think Scalia would still vote "no" even if God told him to vote "yes" on gay marriage. Dude has 9 kids too...just wow.

And I took the time to reread the Constitution since I haven't really looked at it in years. I'm one of those technical guys, and personally I don't see anything explicit in the Constitution that would deem Prop. 8 unconstitutional. I think gay marriage should be allowed, but if there is a portion of the Constitution that protects gay marriage from being banned by passage of a law, I missed it. Maybe the preamble? I bolded the phrase that one could argue that gay marriage should be protected.

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For now, the constitution explicitly defends very few rights explicitly, except in some of the amendments. Hence over these issues, it pretty much becomes a liberal/conservative argument. And most laws passed shouldn't be unconstitutional since the US Constitution is terribly outdated and vague, especially to a non-lawyer type like myself. The way the Constitution is written currently; there is plenty of wiggle room to find a "no" vote on gay marriage. I would have to base a "yes" vote on a 7-word phrase on the Preamble? That really blows.

The unfortunate part is that we failed (well, I didn't because I was unborn/too young) to ratify the Equal Rights Amendment in the 70s/80s. The ERA proposed:

Section 1. Equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

And Emeril says BAM!, much easier gay marriage protection due to the wording of this amendment. I would think that it could pass 9-0 then, or more likely, Prop. 8 probably would have never happened. This should have been passed in the 70s, imo, and would be beneficial to this country if it was passed in the future. And of course, a gay marriage amendment would be quite useful. However, I would sadly guess neither of these would have enough nationwide support for either of these to be ratified. The Bible belt holds a few more than 12 states last time I checked.

South Africa included equal rights for everyone and clearly pointed out equality on the basis of sex clearly in their constitution in 1996, which eventually led to the acceptance of gay marriage in 2006. Heck, their Bill of Rights may be longer than our entire Constitution...

http://www.info.gov.za/documents/con...96/96cons2.htm

I chose South Africa to look at since I saw a headline today saying Ruth Bader Ginsburg (obvious "yes" vote) that she suggested that the people of Egypt follow South Africa's lead in writing a new Constitution and NOT the United States. I totally agree with her; clarity is a good thing for everyone.
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the constitution is way bigger than what's written in the constitution. but if you want an original source, it'd mostly be the 5th and 14th amendment...due process and equal protection. however, the courts help define what those words actually mean at any point in time.

look to lawrence v texas (kennedy wrote the opinion on that)

loving v virginia and evans v romer, too, i guess.

oh, and international law. kennedy loves looking at other countries! and europe is pretty gay.

i haven't really looked into the arguments in detail but i'd imagine those cases get some attention

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NB - the opinion was reallllllly narrow and specific to california. it's possible the SC doesn't rule on it, and if it does, it's also possible that it only rules on the question of gay marriage as it exists in california as a consequence of prop 8. page 6 of the opinion:

"We need not and do not answer the broader question in this case, however, because California had already extended to committed same-sex couples both the incidents of marriage and the official designation of 'marriage,' and Proposition 8's only effect was to take away that important and legally significant designation, while leaving in place all of its incidents. This unique and strictly limited effect of Proposition 8 allows us to address the amendment's constitutionality on narrow grounds..."

further down:

"Were we unable, however, to resolve the matter on the basis we do, we would not hesitate to proceed to the broader question--the constitutionality of denying same-sex couples the right to marry."
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the constitution is way bigger than what's written in the constitution. but if you want an original source, it'd mostly be the 5th and 14th amendment...due process and equal protection. however, the courts help define what those words actually mean at any point in time.

look to lawrence v texas (kennedy wrote the opinion on that)

loving v virginia and evans v romer, too, i guess.

oh, and international law. kennedy loves looking at other countries! and europe is pretty gay.

i haven't really looked into the arguments in detail but i'd imagine those cases get some attention
Thank you. "Due process" is a horrible phrase for a layman. But yes, both of these amendments help the general cause. I'm pretty sure I would hate/be terrible at being a lawyer. Oh and the 9th amendment helps too, wiki article on lawrence v texas points that out. Enumerated rights in the Constitution is not an exhaustive list.

Reading a brief summary of Kennedy's opinion for lawrence v texas doesn't make me immediately think that he will vote the same way for gay marriage. But he's the only one of the group that might break rank for this issue; that's a near certainty.
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it's likely that it will come down to Anthony Kennedy's vote, and he's notorious for going both ways.

I chuckled.
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