http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/vo...ikely-stay-way

Article on glbt homeless

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a54UBWFXsF4

really adorable video on pro gay marriage.

http://www.truthwinsout.org/news/2012/04/24542/

Author of research often cited to support reparative therapy ("pray away the gay") denounces his own research and apologizes to the LGBT community.

LOL they had a similar thing at a church my friend attends called "U-TURN Ministries" to help "cure" homosexuals. I wasn't buying it.

Anyhow, welcome back everyone

What did every one do during their two week autoban? I bagged my first Englishman (omg omg omg). I was bored, drunk, lonely, and horny with my bf out of town (recipe for disaster). It's kinda 2p2's fault because im typically grinding and reading strat threads at night but ever since the forums blew up or whatever, I lost my mood for poker and starting reading Craigslists ads. So yeah, he was in town for a few days visiting relatives and I'm like when am I ever going to meet another Englishman in Central California? I feel bad for cheating but at the same time I don't. I still love my man.

Did anyone else have any unusual experiences?

stayed fairly busy....

finished out my stay in canada, took 2nd on april tlb. moved back to the states, sold out my wsop package. Took a break from poker for the first time in over a year. For my online time, i spent most of it on reddit.

Sucks to hear that you cheated on your bf, i honestly feel it is 1 of the worst things you can do in a relationship (outside of like beating/etc). If you truly love him and respect him, you'll be honest with him and tell him what happened. It might end up hurting your relationship short run, but long run it will certainly make you a much stronger couple.

I also feel it is the honorable thing to do. I'd understand why you wouldn't want to tell him. But, i think he deserves your total honesty, if you truly love and care for him.

This is a tough one. Traditional morality tells us it's bad to cheat, but personally I'm not much on traditional morality. A lot of it goes against or base human nature, and that's often a bad thing more then it is a good thing.

It's our base human nature to want to ****, and to want to **** multiple people, not just the same one over and over again.

Despite me actually believing everything I just said, I am also a pretty big romantic at heart, and do believe in love.

I also would like to believe that love and sex can be seen through separate lenses and that ****ing somebody else doesn't have to mean you love your longer term partner any less. That way of thinking is probably asking too much of most human beings though.

As a piece of evidence, albiet ancticdotel, I will say that a good friend of mine has cheated on his bf more then once, with more then one other guy, yet I know for sure 100% that he cares very deeply for his bf and loves him a lot.

Despite that deep love and caring he has still cheated on him. Go figure right?

That's the thing people are complex, and relationships are complex. It's hard to say the same rules should apply to everyone in every relationship.

Personally I'd say, why don't we let J&Mgetbusy decide for himself what he can live with, and how he is going to handle his own relationships and sex life, and not go about judging him.

He's a big boy, I think he can figure it all out on his own.


Now if he had been asking for advice that would be a totally different story, but I certainly didn't get the impression that he was.

I do see what you are saying, and agree for the most part that "sex is sex".

However i also believe that when you are in a committed monogamous relationship that cheating on the other person is disrespectful and is lying to them about who you are and what you desire.

I do think open relationships are perfectly fine, and think that many people are better off in them, than in closed ones.

If you feel you may stray from the "den", you should respect yourself and partner enough to disclose that to them, and discuss having an open relationship.

If he didn't want some1 to bring it up, he shouldn't have said anything about it.

I don't nessecarily think it makes him into a bad person, but i do feel that if he loves and respects his partner, that he owes it to them to be honest.

Would there be interest in a separate Rainbow Flops meet-up sometime around the party? One possible venue would be Drink-and-Drag, the new downtown bowling alley/billiards/"gayme" room drag queen bar in Neonopolis.

I was initially going to come up with a list, but everything else is either way out of the way or night-clubby (and not conducive to having a conversation at anything other than a scream). Also, Drink-and-Drag would seem a good starting point if we wanted to go downtown and play some cards or have a degen olympics.

Any interest? I'm not great at planning these things so if there's a better idea I'm all for it.

When is the 2+2 party scheduled for? As long as I'm not playing an event or anything I'm possibly down to go

The 2+2 party is the evening of Friday, July 6 at MGM. That's the day before Day 1A of the Main Event.

We are having the TWSS meetup the night before the wsop ladies event...everyone from this forum is welcome and encouraged to attend! There is a separate thread for it here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/18...eetup-1044922/

I'm not going to be in Vegas over the entire series, but how would people feel about meeting up before EDC (pre-game of sorts, restaurant or someone's house). Not sure if anyone else in here is going, but it would be a fun, let-loose situation with enough social lubrication to allow me to talk to people.

Lemme know playboys and playgirls and play-ze's.

Haha, "Drink-and-Drag".

I'm up for any kind of meet up of anyone while I'm there, that's pretty much the whole purpose of this trip to Vegas (unless I can raise money to play the ME - ohpleaseohpleaseohplease).

That said, my transportation is going to be limited to where I can walk and reasonable cab fares, since I'm pretty sure I'll be staying on the Strip.

I'm relatively new to Vegas and would love to meet people in the community. My gf is still back east, so I have a lot of down time.

Yup, totally agree!

Welcome to the thread!

Don't sweat being in a relationship, i wasn't in my first relationship until i was 20, hell I didn't even kiss a guy until i was 18....

Bathhouses and whatever can be fun i'm sure (never did that myself), in anycase just make sure you stay safe (condoms ALWAYS!) and have fun!

Playing cash games at WSOP bump

Selbst is chip leader at the second day dinner break of WSOP Event #2, a $1500 NL Holdem event...hope she takes it down

agreed!

Here. Queer. Get used to it.
Low-stakes PLO cash @ Rio and Venetian.
Bright colored pants erryday.

I had no idea how much I may have missed out by not having exploited my Englishness in the US. I'm thinking if I combine a visit with the next royal wedding I could be irresistable.

The view that "all people have a right to self-identify" is almost a truism among liberal leaning types. I'm interested in the argument for it. Perhaps it's right, but why?

I know myself completely. You and everyone else knows me incompletely.

Therefor, I and I alone should be the one to identify and say who I am.

I would think this should be fairly obvious.

What is it you don't understand about this?

Or perhaps I misunderstand your question.

Well I'm not sure it's true that 'I know myself completely' but even if it is I think that confuses two kinds of things.

It seems to me that 'knowing myself completely' gives me privileged access to certain information about myself that is unarguable; I like custard; I'm lonely; moths scare me etc. All my beliefs and preferences fit into this area of stuff that isn't really up for discussion. I mean you can argue about whether I'm right to believe a statement or enjoy an activity but not that I do believe or enjoy.

Then there's categories that stuff fits into. All this I think is up for discussion and just because we may be talking about a category that affects me doesn't mean that my opinion necessarily carries more weight than anybody else's. (Of course I may happen to know more about the subject but leave that to one side).

Let's say I claim to be a great sportsman and you ask me what I play. I tell you that I'm an expert darts player. You may object that darts is not a sport it's a game. There is no athleticism involved. People will disagree about whether darts players should be classified as sportspeople. I don't think I should be able to settle the argument merely by saying that's how I choose to self-identify. It may hurt my feelings that you feel that way about me and for that reason you might choose not to raise the issue further but I'm not sure that you should decide I'm right about the category I fit into just because I have a view about it myself.

So I think I can say that I enjoy sleeping with people of the same gender without that being arguable. I'm not so sure that in all circumstances I can say I'm a woman without that being arguable.

A male - female transgender individual is not technically a female, that's obvious. If they have a penis and two testicles they are technically a male, of course. But if they tell you that they feel like a female, that every other part of them other then their male genitalia feels like a women, who are you, or I, or anyone else to argue with them?

If a transgender male - female person tells you they are female, just go ahead and say to them, to their face, sure of course you are, you're a women. Then if after they are gone, to your other straight male friends you want to say, 'yo dude looks like a lady, but it's still a dude, lol' well then that's your prerogative and I don't hold it against you for feeling that way.

But there is enough room for respect, tolerance and understanding in this world, that when you are in the presence of a person that was born male, but insist they are now female, you can give them that ground, give them the respect they deserve, not as a member of one gender or another, or one sexual orientation or another, but the respect we all deserve as human beings.

So the point of letting people self identify isn't, are they technically correct or not, but rather to respect and tolerate each individuals take on who they are.

Your first paragraph describes one of the things I've already said can't be argued with - a feeling. So I agree, nobody should be arguing.

I broadly agree with the rest of what you say. Of course there are a whole bunch of things that people think about themselves that it would be rude to publicly disagree with whether it's gender identity or having great legs or whatever. I'm not suggesting that it's a good idea to go out of one's way to make someone unhappy just to argue a semantic point at a party.

There are of course circumstances where it does matter whether someone is a man or a woman and concern for feelings goes out of the window somewhat.

It may be that you and I are actually not that far apart. I suspect, although I might be wrong, that we both think categories are a bit fuzzy and there's no clear dividing line. I'm interested in what other people think. Maybe everyone will take that view or perhaps no-one will think it's worth discussing. I had expected that some people will see self-identification in a more hardline way and say that a person really is whatever they say they are irrespective of concerns about politeness.

I do feel pretty similarly to you on this, yes.





Could you expand on this a bit? Not sure I understand what you are getting at.

It seems clear you are not a bigot, and that you have no moral issue or prejudice towards somebody born a man/women, now identifying themselves as the opposite gender.

So then, I am curious, what are a few examples of instances in which you think such self identifying is a potential problem?