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Originally Posted by jenium
YES! This bothers to me to no end. I'd actually take it one step further and say that I hate it when in public conversations on facebook or twitter or whatever people refer to their opposition as donks, fish, idiots as it creates a wider sense of poker as an unpleasant sphere. That verbiage is for close friends and Notes, IMO.
Some people play poker for fun or entertainment or have just started learning the game. Maybe they get their pleasure from sucking out on you. Some really smart people are terrible poker players. Also, I find that thinking of people as "idiots" or "donks" is damaging to my play because it's so non-specific. There are many different types of inexperienced or poor players so i would just prefer to get that lingo out of my head. I prefer "noob" FWIW, much less mean.
Does anyone disagree? Do you feel like thinking of people as fish, donks or total morons helps build your confidence up and get through swings? I'm open to diff. viewpoints.
Dear jenium (and hj314):
I consider it a bit of an oxymoron to characterize a player who berates (or criticizes) a bad player as a good player. If such a person were a "good player," he/she would be congratulating the "bad player" for spiking that one-outer on the river ("Well played, Sir!") while simultaneously thinking to themselves: "I can't wait until the next time I'm all-in with this noob and he's drawing to a four-outer inside straight against my flopped set!" Katie is right: If anything, players like that should be lavished with praise. Tell them how good they are (try to be "sincere" while pouring on the ketchup), stroke their ego really good, and they'll probably blow a huge stack. If a "good player" criticizes an obviously poor player (and the "poor player" doesn't immediately get up and leave the table), a player sitting right next to this "good player" should deliver a quick elbow chop to the ribs of the motor mouth - anything to shut him (or her) up. I listened to a radio interview where Doyle (or Billy Baxter?) was recalling the late Stu Ungar. They were all sitting at a table playing for very high stakes when a whale sat down with a huge stack. It was a dream come true as this rich businessman was a very poor poker player and was losing a lot of chips. A hand came up where the whale managed to hit a long shot draw against Stuey. Stu exploded in anger cursing and berating the businessman. This "contributor" immediately got up and left the table. Doyle immediately had words with Stu over what he had just said to the (quickly departed) businessman.
Another (related) "pet peeve" I have is the general tone and manner of some players at the poker table. I'm talking here, specifically, about rude behavior and verbal abuse. I just listened to an old "Pokercast" interview where Nolan Dalla said, as far as he's concerned, (paraphrasing) "insults, taunting, trying to get under another player's skin, et cetera" are all "part of the game" and he sees nothing wrong with such behavior. (Keep in mind that Nolan is the "Communications Director" for the World Series of Poker.) Nolan drew the line at "personal insults" - such as bringing a family member into the conversation - or behavior which "impedes the flow of the game," but otherwise he felt that everything else was just fine. This attitude on the part of Harrah's and Harrah's management may explain why Scotty Nguyen was allowed to carry on with his drunken tirade a few years ago at the final table in the WSOP HORSE competition. It was one of the most regretful incidents ever shown on ESPN and likely set back the general perception of poker (and poker players) in the minds of the lay public. (A casual viewer knowing next-to-nothing about poker, after witnessing that train wreck, might be excused for thinking: "Are all poker players like that?")
I wrote a letter to Gary Loveman, Harrah's CEO, vehemently protesting Scotty Nguyen's deplorable behavior and the fact that this "super star" of poker was not severely penalized. (Considering the deplorable nature of that incident, Mr. Nguyen should have been ejected from the tournament.) Mr. Dalla is certainly entitled to his views. He has more experience in the casino industry directing poker tournaments than I. If that is Mr. Dalla's (and Harrah's) attitude, then fine. So be it. I also have the option to never set foot inside a Harrah's-owned property - which I have exercised. If that means that I will never play in a WSOP event, then so be it. I am not going to contribute one dollar of rake to a corporation that condones rude and offensive behavior at the poker table. It does not advance or help grow our game when new players are exposed to obnoxious players acting like three-year-olds. Nolan Dalla (and his employer) may consider atrocious behavior at the poker table acceptable, but I don't. (It's amusing the response I got from Mr. Loveman to my letter. Rather than responding personally, Mr. Loveman flobbed the job off on one of his subordinates, Mr. Seth Palansky. Mr. Palansky sends me an email and the first thing he says is: "We have checked your records with us and you are not a good customer." (I'm paraphrasing only slightly. I would have to go back and dig up the email to get the exact quotation, but Mr. Palansky did note that I was not a good customer.) I guess the folks at Harrah's know what's really important. It's also easy to understand why Alan Boston believes that Harrah's has "ruined" the WSOP.
Those are my pet peeves.
Former DJ