Yeah I just saw this about the Ladies' event. It's a smart idea to help keep the field women-only. Unfortunately, I think the way it's currently written is if any man who would want to play, ~9k goes directly into CET's pockets, instead of the prize pool. That's obviously not cool.

Hmm, I wonder how much transgenders who used to be men have to pay

Whatever their legal gender is, that is what they'd have to pay.

So if someone was legally MtF and had their gender changed in the eyes of the law, then cesars would have to accept them as being a woman.

Pretty simple. It is the same for anything else like this, pretty sure there is a MtF WNBA player.

I think it should be if a man wins. he gets a prize pool based on a $1k buy-in but if a woman wins, she gets a prize pool based on the total amount paid by women and men.

That's awesome ^_^

I'm trying to get in touch with WSOP to ask them to confirm this. If it's true then if it goes into the prizepool then

so it's definitely a pretty creative idea, but doesn't it run into the same discrimination problem that was inherent in prohibiting men from joining in the first place?

WSOP confirmed for me on Twitter that it's added to the prizepool. #nhwsop

I thought that price discrimination, in general, was legal. It's not letting them play at all that wasn't allowed. I mean, it's significantly less expensive for girls to go to clubs, but the clubs never get sued over that.

Welcome any men who think they have >1000% ROI and would like to juice the prize pool for the rest of us

if that's legal, then nevermind!

They have in several states, and in four of them (CA, WI, MA, PE) they have been found to constitute unlawful gender discrimination.

In three other states they were challenged (IL, MI, WA) but upheld, on the grounds that they were designed to attract women, not specifically to bar men from playing.

On those grounds, I don't think this could possibly handle a court challenge. It is patently obvious that the differential pricing exists solely for the purpose of discouraging male patrons -- the treatment of Jonathan two years ago should be pretty clear evidence of their motivations -- and requiring males to disproportionally subsidize the prize pool is a lot different than simply requiring them to pay more for drinks.

If it were a case where the tourney had a $1k buy-in with a $9k entry fee, and female patrons received a $9,000 discount on the entry fee to enter, then that would be less of a problem.

Actually, I honestly suspect that you will be in the minority to feel that way. Male players who insist on playing will continue to be pilloried almost universally, by other players and by the media.

Will likely be a moot point at any rate.

I wrote about this in the hopes that others would realize that it is now in our best interest for men to play in the event-- here's hoping

Linky to article, please, Katie

There might be some hope that "mad dog" Mike, if any man, enters!

The guy does insist on playing every ladies event at Borgata. And he can afford the $10k

If I were a judge in court for a case of a guy accusing the WSOP of "discrimination", I would sentence him to read a book on common courtesy.

I dont play ladies events but I might just hang around the line and see how many guys enter. If mens money goes to the prize pool and theres a decent amount of them entering out of spite it might be worthwhile.

Sorry if this question has been answered already- how come other tournament series in Vegas have been able to allow no men to enter a Ladies only tournament with no legal issues? Iirc, Venetian didn't allow men to play in the VDSIII Ladies event the past two years, right? I kind of assumed that there weren't any definitive legalities regarding allowing/not allowing men to play in the Ladies event in Vegas, but that WSOP was just taking extra precautions this year...

I believe it's because the WSOP event has precedent on having men enter. If there was a blanket ban since the first event that had always been upheld it'd be kosher to continue to ban men.

This is purely from reading some bunk on the internet though, IANAL etc etc

Against 2+2 TOS for me to link you to it, but a quick google should get the job done!

That's good to hear. It's possible some rich people could jack up the prizepool for the hell of it. If men do choose to do so, I hope they aren't booed as badly this time.

Actually I failed finding it via Google because I suck apparently. Found it finally through forum searches.

But cliffs look like that the Venetian has been implementing Nevada Senate Bill 331 from the get go (passed in 2011), which clearly allows for preferential pricing. And the WSOP is finally changing their pricing to follow suit.

I wasn't planning to play this to begin with, but if I have to pony up $10k, definitely out.

As it's oficially a 10k event will we get 30k starting stack instead of the usual 3k? - That would be pretty awsome

Damn and I was finally going to make my debut in women's poker.

Nevermind @WSOP clarified it is just the 3k stack

sounds like a good argument to ask for 10k start stacks though imo

When the tournament director is hurling homophobic insults at you at the final table, that goes a bit beyond "booing" in my opinion.

As I wrote about at the time (regarding Epstein's final table last year), "There hasn't been a crowd this hostile to someone named Jonathan since the last 20 minutes of 'Rollerball'"

Yeah, I didn't follow the final table last year too closely since I was playing Vegas tourist at the time instead. But homophobic insults toward anyone is going too far and totally unacceptable from WSOP staff.

"Rollerball" though. They should've made that into a real sport, but play "Madrid Rules" tho, obv.

Yes, Madrid rules indeed. That's the beauty of the movie, is that when the game starts, the sport looks almost civilized. And it makes the ending that much more poignant, when the last thing Jonathan does is restore his humanity is refrain from killing the last player with the ball and using it to score. And for recognizing a true classic; it's nice when I don't have to clarify that I mean the actual movie, and not the "remake" which I wish had never been made. Chris Klein, action hero indeed. But I digress.

Yeah, the whole Epstein situation really brought years of ugliness to a head. When even 2p2ers who didn't approve of male participation were commenting that the WSOP officials were out of line, that says a lot. I hope that one way or another, this solution puts the circus to an end.