Trying to impress you with their mad skills maybe? I saw you play one hand against a guy where i got the distinct impression this is what he was doing.

I mentioned this thread to my wife, and she wanted me to ask the married women on this forum if you find you get played against differently when you don't wear your ring vs. when you do. She is a fine player at at our local NLHE $1/$3 live tables, but she nevertheless lacks some confidence in her game because she can never figure out how much of her success is due to her own skill and how much is due to her ability to put a fair number of her opponents on tilt.

She hasn't told me as much, but I suspect the cause of her self-doubt is the fact that she hasn't experienced the same success in online poker.

This is more my experience, too. I'm no beauty queen, but i AM known at my home casino as a winning player, so I get this a LOT from the regulars. It was even to the point one night where one of the other winning regs (waaaay more winning than I am) who is well known as a LAG, turns to me in disbelief and says: "I don't get it. They all know I play any two cards, practically, and they all fold when I raise. But You play way tighter, and when you raise you get 5 callers. Why is that?"

My only answer is that I'm a girl and they want to outplay me. *shrug*

It she profits from putting people on tilt, then that is def part of her skill set imo!

I like wearing my wedding ring while I play since it means that I don't get asked if I have a boyfriend. Don't really think I have noticed a difference w/or w/o it fwiw, but people do play differently against me when I whip out my beats by dr dre headphones!

I'd have to agree with this. Playing poker contains a vast skillset from social to mathematical, and the ability to get your opponents to play differently than they would normally is definitely part of that skillset, although I personally don't cross the "flirting" line. But hey, different strokes right?

Well said,
I was playing NL 1/2 once (cash game is not my thing), and a guy kept calling my bets/raises with any cards. I ended up losing two buy ins that night.
I guess beauty plays a factor in poker not only for female players, since I've noticed that good-looking dealers tend to get more tips as well.

The following is from my wife:

"Thanks for the response. Do you prefer live play over internet play then?
I'm not a big fan of casinos, but I find it very frustrating that I can beat a $1-$2 or a $1-$3 live cash table with relative ease then come home and struggle to win at a $0.05-$0.10 online table. People say that internet games are tougher than live games but I've never known whether to believe that or not. What do you think?"

Please tell her to post.

Internet cash is undoubtedly a ton tougher to beat than live (generally speaking).

I was playing with a young internet kid the other night at Aria and he said the typical, "I wish I had tits" comment I get a lot.

But the difference was not because he was jealous of the action I was getting in the game(we were playing short-handed $1/3 PLO at a table that was on the path from the high stakes tables to the bathroom,) but because he was jealous that some of his poker heros were checking me out and starting conversations with me while basically ignoring him.

I think he blew a gasket when one high stakes pro that I'm banging (heh, thin brag!) sweated me in a hand with him. He said it was okay that he told me what to do because he was so excited just to play with him. We ended up losing that hand, but he loved that we didn't pay off his value bet on the river (I would have if I were playing alone--I had the nut straight on a checked down board with 3 spades and a pair) but my friend "soul read" him and that got him all worked up...."OMG! My friends are not going to believe this!!"

So much good advice and so many highly entertaining stories ITT.

I'm moving kitty-corner to the sole poker room in this small town. I'm also going on a cruise in the Fall (although I'm thinking I won't play in the casino for various reasons, one of them being the ridiculous rake). I've played online poker for six years (I'm meh) and I've played exactly one for-fun poker game (hold 'em).

The thing is, I work in a compassion-based field and have at various times used poker to indulge every negative emotion I've got (hence my "meh" status). I've had chat turned off for years because of the active trolling/c'mons/being nice and talkative to ruin my concentration.

I've got other problems with my game, like I play super turbos which are weird little super aggro donkfests that bear little relation to poker, and I've never really studied like I oughta, but that's another story.

I've got three problems. I wonder if I can keep a good poker face because I've never had to. I tend to assign the worst motives to other players if they're male because I have a female screen name. If someone tried to bait me or tilt me as woman or as a Black woman or whatever, I might just flip the hell out because that just sucks.

In life I'm very stoic, pick my words and looks carefully, know how to stay quiet, and can read people pretty well. I like to think that this would translate to success at the tables, but it freaks me out to even try.

2+2 Womynz, what do I do?

Also, I've got really big tits.

i am absolutely shocked at how quickly the answer to my question arrived in this forum. (obv i'm a member of the lesser sex so searching for something like this was obviously going to be fail).

i had a discussion about bluffing w/ a profiler at this wedding i was at last night and he told me two things you can't control (i.e. normal people can't control but you can learn to control them) are you ankles/feet and your pulse. he then told me women who wear low cut tops at a poker table are giving too much away as a result (pun intended by him). he said there's 2 girls at his office (he works for the DoD as an interviewer/profiler) that are crazy good at poker and they never wear something that would expose more than a tshirt.

there's only 1 reg 5/10+ nl player i know at foxwoods and she always wears a jacket (like a light velvet hoodie or faux velvet or whatever). there are 0 20/40+ limit reg girls < 50years old (i'm a limit player for the most part).

my question was literally: what do girls who play live poker regularly and wear semi revealing clothing do when their pulse or breathing changes?

i'd think breathing would be even more obvious when wearing low cut shirts too.

Many poker rooms are chilly, and tournament poker rooms are notorious for mimicking Antarctic-like weather. So most of the time I am in a poker room, I am literally bundled up in long sleeve thermals, zip up sweatshirt and scarf. I'm in the middle of the desert right now in Las Vegas at the WSOP, and I walk downstairs to play dressed like I'm going on an ice-fishing expedition. So, ya, not really sure how all those girls get away with low cut/tiny outfits for poker. Maybe they are preoccupied with being photographed or something.

incorrect.
Super/Hyper turbos are fundamental to poker. They are the foundation for push/fold theory. Study it. It will help your overall game
(responding to this because it seemed like a request for help?)

Very true. Most of the 'nooners' I play in SoCal the stacks are 10 to 20 BB deep most of the tournament. It is only deeper early on. Even bigger tourneys often wind up as push/fold fests in the late stages.

Shauna

Sometimes people try to bully girls because they think we look weak-tight. This annoying guy two seats to my left 3bet every single pre-flop raise I made. So I got sick of it and started 4betting him. Then he started 5bet shoving at me with air. I probably could have called down pretty light, but I just left that table after a while because I don't like the super high variance in my game.

One of the things I've noticed is definitely the belief that women NEVER bluff. I should probably exploit this more, but my natural inclination (in cash play, anyway, I'm better at tourneys) is to be more of a nit, so I should probably do something about that.

I've never been all that phased to be the only female at the table (or the only one left in a tourney), and it's rarely something anyone ever brings up with me.

I have had someone comment (usually with that faint hint of surprise) that they liked the way I played a hand.

About the only thing I've ever noticed otherwise is that, as someone who got most of my experience in online tournaments, I'm often one of the most TAG people at the table, which I never am online. Live players as a whole, particularly older male players, seem to be ridiculously weak/tight, particularly when it comes to shoving/calling ranges. I had a guy (older) this past weekend just flat pre with QQ out of the SB then open over shove a 9 high flop because, and this is almost an exact quote, he never re-raises with QQ pre, regardless of position or other circumstances, just in case the OR has KK or AA.

And yet you overshove a 9 high flop? Um...okay....

I'm the same way! lol...i was dying in my car in Vegas, but once i got inside i was fine. Jeans, hoodie, sometimes the super cold rooms, i'll even wear little gloves, rofl.

I can't imagine wearing little tank tops or shorts, etc. brrrrrrrr

Really? I never found it too cold in tournament rooms. I show up in regular summer outfits. Maybe I'm used to it because it's like that for chess tournaments too. But I heard it was scientific that when you're a little cold, you focus better than if you're warm.

Man, last time I played live @ Caesars Palace, I had some pretty ridiculous sexist comments that I just couldnt handle. These guys probably my age (~early 20s) that were across the table, and kept saying like "Id like to F*** that rich dumb W****" or somethign along those lines, while staring me down, obviously loud enough for me to hear. I'm not generally an outspoken person, and now that I look back I wish I would have complained to the floor manager. The dealer could have spoken up as well, idk. It made me uncomfortable enough to not play live again for the rest of the trip. Nevertheless I still had a great time!

And I also agree that they keep it realllllly cold in there! Probably some logic that people stick around longer when its colder vs hotter.

[QUOTE=TennePenne;27514842]Man, last time I played live @ Caesars Palace, I had some pretty ridiculous sexist comments that I just couldnt handle. These guys probably my age (~early 20s) that were across the table, and kept saying like "Id like to F*** that rich dumb W****" or somethign along those lines, while staring me down, obviously loud enough for me to hear. [\QUOTE]

Sweetie,
You should never have to put up with that crap! Ask for a table change and tell the floor why your changing tables. If the floor doesn't accomodate you, then take your business elsewhere. There are enough rooms in Las Vegas for you to play and feel comfortable and safe. No one should ever have to put up with the junk that comes out of some people's mouths (male, female, young, old, whatever...).

And your right. The dealer should have said something.

Thanks, I agree with everything youve said. Good point with the "buisness" aspect. Hopefully it wont happen again, but if it does, I'll make sure to tell the floor about it.

Has anyone else had bad experiences live similar to this? Whether it was innappropriate comments from other players, or a lack of concern from the dealer/floor?

Just curious.

Completely out of line, and that is exactly the type of stuff that crosses the line. And then guys wonder why they can't get their g/fs or wives interested in the game. Any women knows that when you enter a predominately male environment, there's a risk you are going to be singled out on the basis of your gender and subsequently harassed. It's happened to every single women at some point, just not always at the poker table.

I love the idea of calling the floor for a seat change, then telling the floor very loudly and clearly why you are requesting it, at least as an alternative to direct confrontation. Me, I probably would have said something directly to the little punks, but then I spent five years around guys in the Army and am not in the least bit shy about getting up in someone's face if they cross the line. If that makes me a bitch, so be it, but it's rarely been a problem, simply because there is a line, and as long as you stay on the other side of it, I have zero problem with joking around or salty language, and on the rare occasions someone has crossed it, they have backed down when I told them to knock it off (live play, at least - the chat boxes on PS are another thing altogether. I had to use the call moderator button on more occasions than I can count, and it was always for one of two things - non english or abusive comments/language aimed directly at me).

Others may obviously have a different line, but as long as it's reasonable (ie, a reasonable person would understand that anything over the line truly is offensive in some manner), the dealer and floor should be willing to enforce a non-threatening environment.

I've been told that the reason that poker rooms are kept cold is so that the cards don't stick together.

I had an interesting situation last weekend here in Las Vegas. A young punk sat down and bought in for the minimum ($60) at a $1/2 NL game. He was one of those dorks who thought he new everything and proceeded to become the table captain, announcer and coach (very annoying but profitable).

I had been playing for a couple of hours before said punk showed up and I was having a grand time with the other men at the table. Really sweet, nice gentlemen.

Punk raised UTG $15. I had been happily losing and was ready to go home. I shoved my last $60 with KJ on the button. At that time, one of my favorite dealers stood behind me to say "Hi". The guys at the table started to comment how that might be bad luck. While the punk went into the tank to "think" I told everyone how this dealer had dealt me my only live Royal in 5 years of playing. (I won a whopping $7 from the hand).

Punk calls and flips over AK. I thought "crap-I'm going home to wash my hair". Flop comes and my second favorite dealer peels off Q103. We all went WHOPPEEEEEEE!!!! I had the K-high flush and was open ended to my second Royal.

PUNK GOES BALLISTIC! He starts in with the b-word, the c-word, the f-word (you get my point).

Right then an there about 4 "gentlemen" at the table stand up and start telling the punk that he "can't talk to a lady like that". My 2 dealer friends also reprimand the kid and the floor comes over and ask the punk to leave (he had to go anyway--I stacked him).

I was sooooo thrilled to learn that there are still gentlemen in the world today who will protect a lady and stand up for a woman at the table. I find that more often than not, the men I play with are respectful, sweet, encouraging and PROTECTIVE. I have had sweet guys offer to walk me to my car after I've sucked-out on an a-hole.

The a-holes are few and far between. Most of the men I play with at the low-limit-live games are gems.

Don't ever be afraid of playing poker with the boys...they might surprise you.