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04-10-2014 , 05:37 PM
California Assemblyman Hall scheduled an informational hearing on online poker for April 23rd. I've decided to tweet the CA assembly in conjunction with Rich Muny's action plan. If California with our 38 million people could legalize it I believe that would be a domino too large to be stopped by Adelson. If anyone wants to help I made the following tweet.

Please support the licensing and regulation of online poker in CA. Act before a federal ban removes this revenue stream.

Here is a list of 20 tweets to CA Assembly members and I'll try to create blocks of 20 to message all that have twitter handles. Cheers!

Assembly Member Roger Dickinson http://spredd.it/13b8CA36
Assembly Member Brian Dahle http://spredd.it/pbAnaz3D
Assembly Member Matt Dababneh http://spredd.it/5lQp7636
Assembly Member Ken Cooley http://spredd.it/c78yM1k4
Assembly Member Connie Conway http://spredd.it/1bd3s0md
Assembly Member Rocky Chavez http://spredd.it/uq4Wbeac
Assembly Member Ed Chau http://spredd.it/07aL3lG2
Assembly Member Nora Campos http://spredd.it/h3Mbd2Sl
Assembly Member Ian Calderon http://spredd.it/asdGIZ74
Assembly Member Joan Buchanan http://spredd.it/qbbB9nQI
Assembly Member Steven Bradford http://spredd.it/0N13hZlR
Assembly Member Rob Bonta http://spredd.it/fj0vH6p7
Assembly Member Susan Bonilla http://spredd.it/2dWiFo9k
Assembly Member Richard Bloom http://spredd.it/Ua0pmhuV
Assembly Member Frank Bigelow http://spredd.it/86M75k9o
Assembly Member Toni Atkins http://spredd.it/c685rFKc
Assembly Member Travis Allen http://spredd.it/51Rb7eBd
Assembly Member Luis Alejo http://spredd.it/v0Uq9318
Assembly Member Katcho Achadjian http://spredd.it/5b2ff032
Assembly Member Dr. Isadore Hall,lll http://spredd.it/mf90Ncen
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04-10-2014 , 06:06 PM
Done, but I changed the tweet to:
Please support the licensing and regulation of online poker in CA now before a federal ban removes this state option.
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04-10-2014 , 09:00 PM
Done.
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04-11-2014 , 12:34 AM
done
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04-11-2014 , 03:37 AM
That works and thanks for the help!

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04-11-2014 , 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerXanadu
Done, but I changed the tweet to:
Please support the licensing and regulation of online poker in CA now before a federal ban removes this state option.
I like your idea but i tweaked it once more. I'm trying to appeal to their desire to generate more tax revenue. Let me know what you think of this.

Please support legislation to license and regulate online poker in CA now before a federal ban removes this revenue option.

The next block of 20 I'm creating now will have this text but all I care about is results so fire away anytime you got something. I'm not sure how many Assembly members there are but I want to continue up until the hearing and beyond for everyone wanting to help.
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04-11-2014 , 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by FireForEffect
I like your idea but i tweaked it once more. I'm trying to appeal to their desire to generate more tax revenue. Let me know what you think of this.

Please support legislation to license and regulate online poker in CA now before a federal ban removes this revenue option.

The next block of 20 I'm creating now will have this text but all I care about is results so fire away anytime you got something. I'm not sure how many Assembly members there are but I want to continue up until the hearing and beyond for everyone wanting to help.
I am against pushing online poker legislation as a source of government revenue, as it:

1. Opens the door to over-taxation, which would make the game unbeatable.

2. Is a red herring, as revenues will not be as robust as projected.

3. It is not the place of players to promote this reasoning as it goes against what is good for players (the higher the taxation, the worse it is for players).

In other words, government tax revenue is not actually one the reasons players want online poker legislation, so it is both unproductive and disingenuous for players to promote it that way, imo. It shouldn't be our talking point, regardless of the appeal it might have to the politicians.

As far as I'm concerned, this is no different than saying we should pass the CA legislation because it criminalizes playing on unlicensed sites, so we can throw such players in jail and seize their property. That might appeal to some of the lawmakers, but that doesn't mean we should promote it as the reason to support the legislation.

This is my litmus test: If I would prefer the legislation without such a provision, then I shouldn't promote the point of such provision as the reason to pass it. I am "pro" things like strict regulatory oversight of the sites, consumer protections, criminal penalties for cheating, open-market licensing and personal freedom of choice. Those are my talking points. I am not "pro" online poker as a government revenue source. That's how the French government views it; the game there is unbeatable, and none of the sites have yet had a profitable year.
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04-11-2014 , 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerXanadu
I am against pushing online poker legislation as a source of government revenue, as it:

1. Opens the door to over-taxation, which would make the game unbeatable.

2. Is a red herring, as revenues will not be as robust as projected.

3. It is not the place of players to promote this reasoning as it goes against what is good for players (the higher the taxation, the worse it is for players).

In other words, government tax revenue is not actually one the reasons players want online poker legislation, so it is both unproductive and disingenuous for players to promote it that way, imo. It shouldn't be our talking point, regardless of the appeal it might have to the politicians.

As far as I'm concerned, this is no different than saying we should pass the CA legislation because it criminalizes playing on unlicensed sites, so we can throw such players in jail and seize their property. That might appeal to some of the lawmakers, but that doesn't mean we should promote it as the reason to support the legislation.

This is my litmus test: If I would prefer the legislation without such a provision, then I shouldn't promote the point of such provision as the reason to pass it. I am "pro" things like strict regulatory oversight of the sites, consumer protections, criminal penalties for cheating, open-market licensing and personal freedom of choice. Those are my talking points. I am not "pro" online poker as a government revenue source. That's how the French government views it; the game there is unbeatable, and none of the sites have yet had a profitable year.
Alright I see your point but I just finished putting together 25 more Assembly Member tweets for the next block. I know I said it would be blocks of 20 but I counted the remainder and with 25 now it's something like 23 next go around.

As easy as this seems I now understand how tedious and time consuming this must be for Rich Muny to put together each day in his Daily Action Plans. I bring this up because even though I understand what you're point is it's 3:41 and I have to work tomorrow so I can't change it now. You'll have to edit like you did the first block if you don't mind.

I do have a question for you though. Even though you don't like to promote the idea of a revenue source how else would you get lawmakers to even give it a single thought? Do you think they would expend the resources to write, expend legislative time, pass, put in place the oversight, demand enforcement and an allocation of money for causes like problem gambling without a means to pay for it outside of the tax revenue they're already allocating elsewhere?
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04-11-2014 , 06:52 AM
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Please help tweet the second block of 25 California Assembly Members in advance of the April 23rd hearing on online poker. I'm doing this conjunction with Rich Muny's Daily Action Plan. Thanks again!

Assembly Member Tim Donnelly http://spredd.it/b9NWmaL0
Assembly Member Susan Talamantes Eggman http://spredd.it/mq95Xf4e
Assembly Member Paul Fong http://spredd.it/jzBX90tm
Assembly Member Steve Fox http://spredd.it/M88tfbba
Assembly Member Beth Gaines http://spredd.it/me4ecfUR

Assembly Member Cristina Garcia http://spredd.it/4WHcnd4m
Assembly Member Mike Gatto http://spredd.it/JlTehaa7
Assembly Member Jimmy Gomez http://spredd.it/5fY2c13r
Assembly Member Lorena Gonzalez http://spredd.it/q78T4Qce
Assembly Member Richard S. Gordon http://spredd.it/ofh2dJbM

Assembly Member Jeff Gorell http://spredd.it/8627bl4S
Assembly Member Adam Gray http://spredd.it/0bb54N1L
Assembly Member Shannon L. Grove http://spredd.it/jglqAMC0
Assembly Member Curt Hagman http://spredd.it/QeldeHTk
Assembly Member Diane L. Harkey http://spredd.it/x1Sbeeu5

Assembly Member Roger Hernandez http://spredd.it/bhdF1V0b
Assembly Member Chris R. Holden http://spredd.it/tA3jcY75
Assembly Member Brian W. Jones http://spredd.it/d3f3Tiz7
ASM Reginald B. Jones-Sawyer, Sr. http://spredd.it/Q29p2sUC
Assembly Member Marc Levine http://spredd.it/du3ze095

Assembly Member Eric Linder http://spredd.it/hfRncVjx
Assembly Member Dan Logue http://spredd.it/p5lmf3Fk
Assembly Member Bonnie Lowenthal http://spredd.it/VFDT7PZz
Assembly Member Brian Maienschein http://spredd.it/pHbN6aal
Assembly Member Allan R. Mansoor http://spredd.it/eu6F0IdN
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04-11-2014 , 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by FireForEffect
Alright I see your point but I just finished putting together 25 more Assembly Member tweets for the next block. I know I said it would be blocks of 20 but I counted the remainder and with 25 now it's something like 23 next go around.

As easy as this seems I now understand how tedious and time consuming this must be for Rich Muny to put together each day in his Daily Action Plans. I bring this up because even though I understand what you're point is it's 3:41 and I have to work tomorrow so I can't change it now. You'll have to edit like you did the first block if you don't mind.
No problem. Your work is appreciated.

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I do have a question for you though. Even though you don't like to promote the idea of a revenue source how else would you get lawmakers to even give it a single thought? Do you think they would expend the resources to write, expend legislative time, pass, put in place the oversight, demand enforcement and an allocation of money for causes like problem gambling without a means to pay for it outside of the tax revenue they're already allocating elsewhere?
I expect government to assess taxes on online gaming, just as they do for live gaming. I just don't think players should make it one of their talking points. Let the sponsoring politicians and other vested interests make that point. And by the way, the costs of regulation, enforcement and problem gambling programs are paid for by annual license fees on the sites. Site revenue taxes go beyond that.
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04-11-2014 , 08:07 AM
Today's tweets done.

By the way, you will get more player participation if you post this in NVG as well:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/

I'm not a mod there, but I think it should be fine.
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04-11-2014 , 08:27 AM
4/11 done.
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04-11-2014 , 12:32 PM
done first will do second later.
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04-11-2014 , 02:06 PM
Love this thread
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04-11-2014 , 02:50 PM
done with second batch
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04-11-2014 , 04:17 PM
Done with first batch. Will do 2nd batch tomorrow.
Thanks for putting these lists together.
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04-11-2014 , 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerXanadu
Today's tweets done.

By the way, you will get more player participation if you post this in NVG as well:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/

I'm not a mod there, but I think it should be fine.
I posted the same message before in two locations and they locked one of the threads. I'll have to try to find the person to authorize it before I step on toes.

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04-11-2014 , 06:35 PM
So it seems I've gotten my twitter account temporarily suspended. I forgot about their rules about over following. I followed all the CA Assembly Members I could find twitter handles for last night while creating this action plan. Apparantly that triggers spam detection. I just submitted an appeal to assure them I'm not a bot and only wish to keep tabs on my communications with my legislators. Anyway hopefully I'll be reinstated by Monday to continue this effort.

Thanks for all the help and have an awesome weekend!

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04-11-2014 , 07:37 PM
done! gogogo
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04-12-2014 , 12:26 PM
2nd batch done
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04-12-2014 , 05:47 PM
Done!
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04-14-2014 , 02:42 PM
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Please help tweet the final block of California Assembly Members with the message we started with. I'll create a new message and am more than willing to use a message one of you come up with. All I care about is results so we can continue messaging leading up to the April 23rd online poker hearing. Thanks!

Again just to remind everyone that this should be done in conjunction with the Rich Muny dailly action plan.

Assembly Member Jose Medina http://spredd.it/Ipn34do4
Assembly Member Melissa Melendez http://spredd.it/24U59Wmj
Assembly Member Kevin Mullin http://spredd.it/tUZq7Mni
Assembly Member Al Muratsuchi http://spredd.it/dXbuD5oJ
Assembly Member Adrin Nazarian http://spredd.it/86mt498c

Assembly Member Brian Nestande http://spredd.it/U5a7fGZ6
Assembly Member Kristin Olsen http://spredd.it/dB071nYS
Assembly Member Dr. Richard Pan http://spredd.it/i3eTeHe9
Assembly Member Jim Patterson http://spredd.it/fE00m89L
Assembly Member Henry T. Perea http://spredd.it/naZtu9D6

Assembly Member Speaker John A Perez http://spredd.it/4bfvM6ud
Assembly Member Bill Quirk http://spredd.it/9o591in7
Assembly Member Sharon Quirk-Silva http://spredd.it/SpFUjA7d
Assembly Member Anthony Rendon http://spredd.it/nWTaCes8
Assembly Member Rudy Salas Jr http://spredd.it/2nxau01m

Assembly Member Mark Stone http://spredd.it/qa882h6f
Assembly Member Phil Ting http://spredd.it/mwa0Z5b2
Assembly Member Donald P. Wagner http://spredd.it/0bebHz5X
Assembly Member Marie Waldron http://spredd.it/TbE6c391
Assembly Member Shirley Weber http://spredd.it/f8Vy8T5t

Assembly Member Scott Wilk http://spredd.it/nMrL2e30
Assembly Member Das Williams http://spredd.it/4P9N1VAK
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04-14-2014 , 04:10 PM
My twitter account is still suspended and waiting the outcome of the appeal process. I believe it's because I over followed but I saw on the PPA action plan a recommendation that you don't try to tweet all of the links at the same time. Tweet 5 or 10 and wait a few minutes before you proceed to guard against them thinking your account is automated.
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04-14-2014 , 07:12 PM
3rd batch done
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04-14-2014 , 10:01 PM
Done Hope your twitter is reinstated soon!
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