Most men got into poker for reasons dealing with ego more than money. If people just wanted money no one would ever whine about bad play. But most men aren't really that good or understand as well as they think so they whien and berate players to restore there ego at the cost of making others play more seriously and possibly educating them. 5 years ago half the people at the table WERE NOT EVEN TRYING TO WIN! I was a whiner when I was also a noob who thought he knew what was up. The girls who whine about not being respected are needy and dumb (or green) just like all the dudes who know what odds or bluffing is and think they deserve respect and will whine as much as it takes to get it. Go do something w ur life if uwant respect. Poker is about money

tough love ITT.

So which is more egotistical, talking about how bad everyone else is at the tables, or bragging on 2p2 about how you don't talk about how good you are and pretend you're a fish (but I'm really not promise I'm amazing!)? Like obviously it doesn't do the same thing but I always laugh when people post that on 2p2 because in reality they're posting it for the exact same ego needs as the people that berate people at the tables do. I mean I guess feeding your ego on a message board is better than feeding it at the expense of educating/scaring off fish just some food for thought. This applies to mostly males in my experience but also females ITT as well. Like next time you post about "I like to pretend I'm a fish at the tables so the men will donate me money" and go on and on about not having an ego at the table think about why it is you're posting that on 2p2. Everyone thinks they have a smaller ego than they actually do. Although maybe me posting this is just stroking my own ego about understanding egos better than most

Nice self-aware post. Mine has a similar "no, I'm the most humble!" irony about it. I don't think its wrong to want attention respect and recognition, I just think people shouldn't use poker to get it. It should just be a nice perk if you happen to get rich doing it.

I think it is probably a requirement to be egotistical as a poker player. Almost nobody sits at a table thinking that they are worse than over half the players at that table. Obviously, half the table has delusions about that.

that is so meta that I think I've become a black hole of self awareness now

Quite frankly I don't care how large someones ego is. I actually think having somehwhat of an ego is necessary to be a good poker player. I just don't want someone to react to their ego in a way that is going to take money out of my pocket. By berating a fish, causing the game itself to be less enjoyable to that player, it is indirectly costing me money.

** that being said, I admit I used to get frustrated and berate fish online. I've since realized it's not a good idea and don't anymore

LOL! what? Ego?

We're talking about being at table and being women and taking advantage of opportunities to make money off opponents by exploiting the situations that the opponents supply for us. We have different styles and comfort levels. So, not sure why this has to be critiqued as some sort of ego issue, it's actually just info-sharing. This is just the way things work. I never got the impression anyone here was bragging or trying to feed their self-esteem.

I LOVE being a hot woman at the poker table. Blonde hair FTW indeed! My best strategy is to distract the men and make them think I'm a giant fish. I'll say things like oh I'm just waiting for my boyfriend to finish, or ask dumb questions. Because of that on a typical night my roi is between 100-250% playing live cash just by waiting for good hands and playing them fast.... pretty sick. Who ever said poker was an honest game? As for respecting women players and perpetuating stereo-types and blah blah blah, they can respect me when I take their ****ing money

Or not respect you, you luckbox you, so you can take more of their money!! Nice post!

Hi Saya - thanks for posting - say initially a very attractive female sits down at the table and gets involved in a hand, are you immediately giving her no credit and trying to bluff her off the hand because she probably doesn't know what she's doing, or are you scared she's passively check calling the nuts all the way because she doesn't know anything about value betting?

I don't entirely follow the logic here. If there was a stereotype that goes along with being a newer player/woman, especially when combined with waiting for a while between playing hands, it would be that if she's betting she's very strong, so don't pay her off.

Of course, perhaps you happen to be so hot (or at least so poker hot) that a lot of people at the table can't concentrate on the fact that you're actually playing pretty similarly to how they should expect you to be playing.

I can't speak for Saya, but I would say in general it's dangerous to try & bloat any pot based on a "read" on someone who just sat down. There's so much more nuance to poker than that, & saying "well she's an attractive woman so this is what I should do" is kind of crazy.

There are so many reliable indicators of how good a poker player is, that there's no reason to get sidetracked by intentional diztiness or other fake tells. In fact, if I pick up on something that would indicate that a player knows more than they're letting on, I'll watch them twice as carefully. The question then becomes can they figure out that I'm on to them & thus not be exploited by the fact that they think I don't have a clue how good they are. Lots of levels in poker

All that being said, intentional ditziness, along with a lot of other activities that one can do to induce incorrect play, is very very effective against fishes

Haha, best response to the stereotype thing.

BTW, so many blond girls on here... WHERE THE HELL ARE THE PICS!!!

lol, j/k

If you are into blondes, check out out pets pics thread.
Golden retrievers and yellow labs ftw

zing!

I think just bluff a lot and be really aggro. Guys must hate that, to feel run over by a girl. I think it was in Caro's book I read that men fold more often than women! I also think men don't try to bluff women as much

Completely agree on what people have been saying. To be completely honest If I play against a woman live or online I play carefully because In my experience woman are the silent killers.

When I lived in Colorado I would do a $5 buy-in each week with my group of friends and this girl would always out play me.

<---arg humility...lol

someone post link to nutsinho thread for these ladies, lol.

Hahahahaha, love it~~~~

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I think most guy are pretty dumb about the abilities of some poker playing ladies. Having Hung around LJ, JF, MH and I bunch more here in LV I know they know how to play very well. a female player is just like a female trader on the other side of a trade from you. if she knows what she is doing and has better information than you is more focused than you she will beat you.

I dont think their abilities are much different than guys but I do believe they use them differently.

It is frighteningly apparent that many guys act like total dipwads against the lady players and this gives the girls a pretty fair advantage. However for the ladies to become dependent on this perception to become profitable then when they come up against someone who doesn't change his game or makes the correct changes then the lady will lose most if not all of that advantage. If he is aware of the differences that may be apparent then make strategic changes than the lady player will be at a disadvantage.

I do believe that females are more introspective and can be more empathic than the average male player. This is because of the difference between how boys and girls are raised in this and most society. That is girls are asked HOW THEY feel and boys are told HOW THEY SHOULD feel. young Girls are nurtured when they show emotion and young boys are more or less backhanded when they do. IT is my belief that this is what make females more introspective and thereby more empathic and males less so.

of course this coin has another side as well. And it is just as pertinent How ever for the sake of decorum and because of the fact that I feel most of you ladies are sharp enough to figure what those are I wont discuss them at this time. I would just add that it behooves you to guard against it.

Sounds totally sexist (and is), but just wear low cut shirts that show off the goods. Men are suckers for breasts.

Guy here...

I'm Chinese. When I sit down to a table, some people make assumptions based on my race. Like I'm a rich LAG gambooler. But I don't start speaking like a FOB and spout phrases like "All you can eat baby!" to play up the stereotype.

Could playing up my race be an advantage? Sure. Do I do it? No. Because I'm not one for perpetuating stereotypes, even if it means an advantage at the poker table.

That's just my opinion.

I used to have trouble playing with women. I think most men do. It's natural. But now I just see them as any other player at the table. I'm not fooled by low cut shirts or "ditzy" attitude. I mean, you can act any way you want, but if I watch you play and it's obvious you know what you're doing, that's all I need to see.

I think people think too much about how whatever just happened is because they are a woman or black or asian or in a wheelchair or whatever differentiator applies to them. I sit at the same table with the same mostly guys every day. What I see is that there are a few who can really play, a few who are stone cold idiots, and the vast majority of the bell curve is full of people who have a clue but mostly can't think beyond their own hand so it doesn't matter if the person holding the other hand has breasts or not. And this applies to the men and the women.

I'm not saying that there aren't occasions where being a woman has helped or hurt me (usually helped) at the poker table. But I will say that other women are just as likely to come after me because they think I'm weak as men are. And I see friendly men who get soft-played because they've been chatting with their neighbor just as often as I have gotten soft-played for "flirting".

I came from the engineering world - with most of my career being involved with constructing semiconductor factories. I certainly felt like a minority in meetings full of men. But in the end I either knew my **** or I didn't. All in all I'd say that most of them gave me as much respect as they did any of the men we were working with and knew that if they didn't there would be hell to pay. And poker is really no different.

Frankly (sorry I'm rambling) one of the most important tilt-proofing skills I have had to develop is not caring AT ALL what you think of me. Knowing what you think is important, caring is dangerous. So if the table is all happy and friendly with me - great I understand how to use that. If the table thinks they can run over me - I can use that too.

Nice to see it from a different perspective. I also agree with what you said.