why would anyone be nice to old nits? Fish, yeah, but f*ck the nits.

P.S....some friendly advice. You're just digging yourself deeper, so you might just want to give up.

why not meet in the middle and dress a little skimpy but wear headphones? Guys will want to stay, and you dont have to talk!

My headphones almost paid for themselves yesterday when I refused to pay the bubble boy $20 in the Venetian nightly-- I was way above average in chips, blinds were 1.5/3k-500, and one dude had 10k chips! His best friend apparently thought he was in the mafia and wouldn't shut up about my refusal to hand $20 to someone with .7% of the chips! Then he accused me of collusion because my husband was railing me for a bit-- but all I heard was "One More Road to Cross" as I busted him.

I'm a guy and find that girls at my table are more gabby with me, than I am with them.

There seems to be a lot of social misfits ITT. You don't have to be unfriendly to let someone know that you're not interested in being hit on. If it's just the chatter that's bothering you, then it's no different of a problem than anyone else has when sitting next to someone who won't stop talking to you. I find that an iPod is the best solution for this, even if it's not turned on. And if you do happen to be a real hottie (who's old enough to play poker in a live room), you should have figured out a long time ago how to handle attention (like in high school?).

lol at butterfly pony being a female.

mmmmmmkay............

I know it's not really the topic of the thread but it's pretty hilarious how insecure people show themselves to be about poker in threads like these.

As to the actual question headphones obviously work although you risk people not giving you action and essentially lose the edge of most people stereotyping you as sucking at poker and playing their hands super face up against you because it's pretty obvious you came to play poker rather than to just have a good time.

And if you don't want to do any of that I heard there's this thing called English that most people sitting at a poker table will understand. If you want someone to understand something don't just drop hints or use subtle body language, just ****ing tell them. You don't have to be rude but if someone is continually giving you unwanted attention/annoying you just tell them you don't appreciate it and if they continue (which like 99% of guys won't if you do it right) call the floor or something. But more than likely you're responding to them and joking around and expecting them to know that just because you looked at your phone they should telepathically know that you're tired of them talking to you despite the fact that you're responding to them and laughing at their jokes. I understand most females probably pay attention to subtle body language and dropping hints a good amount but as a whole guys like to communicate by saying what we mean. You avoid a lot of misunderstandings that way.

I think it's pretty interesting to think about this topic from the perspective of invite-only home games.

A friend and I went to a Friday night home game recently. The game starts with a free roll (15bb, 7 min levels, 10 players, winner take all). She was playing pretty tight until she was blinded down to about 10bbs, when she pushed from the CO. The BB started to pretend to agonize and finally folded, saying "I have to fold since you're a girl." She folded the next couple of hands, after which the guy in the BB from the aforementioned hand commented, "well, if nothing else, at least you are a good conservative woman."

Basically for the rest of the night, he took the same misogynistic attitude toward her. And for the whole night, she basically just had to sit there and take it, fearing that she would not be invited back to the game if she got confrontational. No one else said anything either (maybe for the same reasons she didn't either (?)).

Not sure what the host of the game actually would have done if she yelled at the BB, but pretty crappy spot overall.

^^ meant to post that in "Live poker experiences" but I guess it kind of fits in this thread too. Sorry about that.

There's a lot of space between sitting there and taking it and yelling.

This is a pretty standard experience for me, and it doesn't bother me anymore-- in fact it amuses me. I appreciate the added info I get about how he thinks about my play, and the fact that he is likely influencing the rest of the table to think the same way. (That being said it obv sucks for a woman new to poker/with less confidence.) By exhibiting that he thinks there is no way I'm a good player, he is telling me that there is no way he is a good player.

Even if I have a VPIP/PFR of like 30/29 early, I am shocked how my raises are often attributed to a rush of cards (which obv I help by showing the rare times that I actually have a very strong hand). The more comments are made like in your example, the more I know I can get away with opening wider and 3-betting lighter.

I think he hit the nail on the head. =p

so often when I enter a full table and fold eight hands in a row someone inevitably says something like, "Are you waiting for aces or kings over there? I sure am going to stay away from you."

It happens so often I need some standard lines depending on my mood and what I'm trying to achieve (normally it would be to reinforce his statement but there may be some cases where I try to do the opposite?)

"Queens will do against you."
"Yuck- I always lose with aces..."
"I'm usually very aggressive but you're totally intimidating me right now...."

These are pretty meh. Help! Jamie, Katie, Beata?

stop waiting for aces or kings?

I only make comments that insinuate that I'm nitty/literal, because the standard tight assumptions do not apply to me. (I have shifted my live game in order to take the most advantage of this possible.)

When I pulled off a bluff representing quads in the WSOP ME this year (thinly veiled brag, yes ) Someone said something like "Show the Ace, we know you've got quads."

I laughed a little and said "What's the point of showing if you guys already know?" giggle giggle, which confirmed their thoughts (as they commented to such effect).

I find it much easier to confirm other's thoughts rather than shift them, and just take advantage of them. Comments that don't directly involve you saying "Yes I had quads" (for the above example) will actually make them solidify their read even more because they'll feel they've deduced something. Plus, I didn't even have to lie in the above comment.

It is much easier to pretend to be tight as a woman (and actually play lag) than it is to pretend to be loose and actually play tag imo.

I used "yelling" to encompass any reaction > not doing anything at all. It was her first time at the game, and she really didn't want to say anything b/c she wanted to guarantee future invites. Although, tbh, I'm fairly certain that she would guarantee a re-invite just because she's female. Home game players love having women at the table... even if it's just to be rude to them

+1. Guy was the biggest fish in the game.

ha, jen, i'm laggier than anyone I know lol, I don't have these kinds of problems. I have problems with people calling me light because I "never have it." I jammed 25 bbs in a 6 way limp at a 400/800 level with AA in the BB and the SB tank called with queens (LOLOLOL at everything I just said), and the FIRST thing someone said at the table was "good call." I was like, ya actually it's not. Results oriented: I lost.

If people did think I was tight enough to the point where they had to say something (TWHS!), then I'd probably say stuff like, "I couldn't beat a monkey with my cards" or "Dealer X is punishing me!"

Anyways, about the attention thing... there's positive attention and there's negative attention. I used to be really chatty when I was younger and most likely underaged (lol) but now I tend to keep to myself because I used to make comments that made Allen Bari seem nice. Now I rarely even think those thoughts, let alone express them. From the few posts I read itt, I just want to ask you guys where do you think you get off thinking you're holier than thou? Yah you're a woman playing poker, you might be solid, but just because some dolts give you attention at the table you have to complain about it?

I had this old greek guy ask me if he could rub me for good luck because I was wearing a short dress. I laughed at him and said no. I could have handled it really inappropriately or shrieked and caused a big deal, but whatever, I'm hotter than anything he's looked at in awhile. I'm obviously kidding, but you have to learn to not be so uptight. I wear some pretty flashy and fashion forward things at the poker table (I do everywhere), and it might get attention, but that's no different than the attention someone might get walking down the hall at school or at the grocery store.

I mean, you are women around a bunch of men. Men like women. They're probably gonna talk to you.

/irrelevant rant

sorry if I sound "uptight" but I don't think that just because we are women surrounded by men who "can't control themselves" doesn't mean it's okay for them to say whatever they want. (and believe me, I've heard some pretty ****ing disgusting things from COMPLETE STRANGERS with no provocation whatsoever.)

you calling me holier than thou for not responding positively to unwanted male attention (and i'm talking about the pervy, overt, unwanted kind, not the friendly chit-chat) is akin to saying girls deserve to get date-raped cuz they went to a party wearing a sexy outfits and "men just can't help themselves!"

newsflash: when me and pez arrive at a new table and some stranger opens with "huhhuh, are you two like, LESBIANS???!" it's NOT pleasant and it really pisses me off that a complete stranger thinks its okay to ask intimate questions about my sex life just because I'm taking a seat at his table.

im not even talking to you

sorry I didn't mean to freak out, i just have a crazy feminist filter that goes off whenever someone says I'm supposed to "just deal" with something cuz "thats the way it is."
didn't mean to come off totally nuts.

Who were you talking to? I thought you were talking to her too.

i just skipped over her post until now, i was just mindlessly ranting about women who hate attention in general, but now that i read her post i can see why, lol. anyways, i'm sorta wondering what's going on at her tables that she has to nip anything in the bud. i just feel that the majority of the time people are being overly dramatic. a lot of times when i sit down with other women i feel like im getting slapped in the face, like there's a huge dark cloud over me. i feel less welcomed by women than i do by men ainec. would you rather have to deal with awkward and palpable envy/tension by other women? i can only imagine what they are thinking. i'd rather get hit on by creeps than deal with that. you can't really win.

I don't know. RJ and I play at the same table a lot and get totally different reactions. I guess if I got what she gets, I'd be the same way.

I guess it's her aggro playing style. Guys hate that.....even often feel the need to tell me so.

Yea, I don't really get this at the tables.
I have gone through so many transitions/conversions in my live poker persona since I started playing in 2004.
But I mainly just stay pretty quiet now at the table and don't really say anything, even when someone asks me a question like this. I will give a sneaky smile once in a while, but that's about it.

People don't realize how much information they give away at the table by even the most trivial of comments.
Someone who says something like "Wow you called me aipf w/ AQ for 10bbs? How are you ever ahead there" really shows me this person's poker ability/education and more importantly lack thereof. Someone like me will know exactly how to play against this type of person in the future.