Uknow opponent.

given the stack sizes it is an ok spot to throw out a tester 3bet since it is still early in the match and you have no reads. plus you can always flop huge with the suited Brunson.

but what is your plan post flop if the villain calls your 3bet?

Readless I'd not 3bet bluff 1.5 hypers, because of these 2 factors:
1)not that many people open enough on their buttons in the first place, so not much fold equity. If the standard villain raised 70%+ buttons, sure...but it's more like 50% at 1.5's.
2)not that many people can find a fold button

From my experience at these low limits it is almost always wrong to 3bet bluff villains at the 1.50. If you know he raises often and can fold, it is OK, but against unknown, I would definately avoid 3bet bluffs

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I agree with this. Readless I'm 3-betting exclusively for value. Unless I'l playing a reg who I know opens wide and folds to 3-bet enough.

It's true that in general people at the micro limits call 3-bets really wide, but a lot of them play fit or fold in 3 bet pots (so c-betting and on the right boards barreling takes it down quite often). Some villains are under the impression that in 3-bet pots every hand that connects somehow with the board is the nuts. I use 3 bet bluffs vs. opponents that open wide enough. Definitely less often then shown in higher stakes videos, but still.

Yes, definitely cbet any ace or king high board, you will get folds a heap of the time.

At the moment I am 3betting this range...



...which is loosely based on Phmerc's ranges from his 3bet (not 3bet shove) video. It's about 20% of hands. I assume this is about a reg's standard 3bet % readless?

Hands like 22-99 get 3bet shoved
Strong pairs, AJ+, plus the bluff range get 3bet to a "big size" (~110-120)
The rest (mostly broadway hands) get 3bet to a smaller size (~90-ish). I think this is to entice dominated hands to continue, I can't remember.

I'm still working on ideal sizing's and range, but I would suggest bluffing with hands more like 65s, as they flop better if called than T2s. Phmerc recommends keeping to the suited hands for your bluff range as they play slightly better when called, plus there are fewer combos of suited hands so it stops you from getting out of control with your 3bet bluffing.
I am still working all this out so any pointers on ranges and sizing would be most welcome. /end hijack

@Benjamin

You really think that 3betting those SC and S1Gappers etc. is profitable? Maybe you can post some numbers if you have a big enough samplesize and use filters. Would be nice to see the results.

I 3bet wider but I play the turbos so even if I get 4bet and have to fold, my stack still remains healthy enough.

At the HTs I would 3bet valuehands only against unknown and start 3bet bluffing once I figure villain out.

3b bluffing is awesome. Especially readless while your villain has to assume you're a tight 3b nit (because most ppl are). you guys are nits and missing out on a profitable play.

really hate your range tho benjamin, why bluff with all those value hands? don't turn quality hands into bluffs imo. that's why T2s is a good bluffing hand--you would fold it otherwise, instead you get to make a profitable bluff. all the low suited stuff you can profitably flat.

Also i think most of that broadway stuff is too wide too--we have to fold it to a 4b, it plays super well post flop in flatted pots and not as good in 3b pots. + it makes your flatting range super weak (tho yeah readless that's not really important). overall I think you're likely losing value with those hands, though it could be close.

@Sea the Stars: I'm still working on my 3betting, so I have no idea if this is profitable or not, I would say it is (I'm pretty sure it is) however I hardly have any stats to back it up yet. I get a ton of folds when I miss the flop and cbet though.
I just ran the hand range above through PT4 and I'm losing 60bb/100 ev adjusted over 98 hands. This is not good, however a lot of these hands may have been played when I was super fishy. It's definitely something I'm going to keep an eye on.

@Coffeeyay: Thanks for the advice, like I said I'm still working on a good strategy. Phmerc's range is based on turbo's/reg speeds, and I'm not sure how the hyper structure changes the optimal 3bet range. Any chance you can post your readless 3bet range with sizings???

I also asked Phmerc a few questions on his video page, he just got back to me down the bottom of the page here.
He seems to think that hands like KQo should be bet to the "big size" about 25bb (110-120 chips on stars at 25bb) as you then give yourself odds to call a shove. Hands like 96s should be bet to about 95, as we're not trying to give ourselves the right price to call if villain shoves, we can just fold.
So the gist of his answer is 3bet big if you plan on calling a shove, 3bet small if you plan on folding to a shove.
I think it's also safe to assume that you 3bet small with your monsters as you want minimal fold equity.

edit: I guess it's not /end hijack

For 3 bet bluffs I take hands from the top of my folding range and the bottom of my flatting range (e.g. J2s, 84s...).

PHMERC says in that video you shouldn't use hands with really good flatting expectation like T8s,T9s,J8s-JTs,Q8s-QJs...
as 3-bet bluffs. Don't significantly weaken your OOP flatting range.

Yeah you make good points. I took Phmerc's 3bet bluff range 75bb deep where I assume play is a little tighter so those hands make up the bottom of his flatting range. I don't flat all those hands OOP, but I will stop 3betting the stronger ones and just flat them.

I don't agree with 3b bluffing the bottom of your flatting range. If its a profitable flat, why turn it into a bluff? there are only so many hands we can bluff with, the equity of bluffing is not (very) dependent on your hand strength, so why waste perfectly good flatting hands to make your bluff range?

I prefer to bluff the top of my folding range. It lets me play more hands OOP and adds to my bb/100 because bluffing them is quite a bit more profitable than folding them.

And no I'm not posting my 3b bluff range with sizings on a public forum, sorry I coach on husng.com so I have to leave something for my students

Coffee, that's actually what I meant when I said the bottom of his flatting range I do understand that you are better off 3bet bluffing hands that you wouldn't flat, although I'm sure I've heard the someone say something like "you want to take hands out of the bottom of your flatting range and top of your folding range" but maybe I've misinterpreted something there. I do understand the concept that you don't want to turn hands that are profitable (or at least more profitable than folding) into a bluff.

Fair enough about not posting your 3bet range though

edit: the bluff hands posted above did come out of Phmerc's 75bb bluffing range, so I'm assuming that he doesn't flat those hands. To me some of the stronger hands look like good flats though so I'm not sure on his reasoning. I'll have to watch the video again now I've thought about the concepts a bit more.