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Old 05-16-2010, 03:21 AM   #31
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Agreed. If I ever go back on ft I'm disabling avatars and making mine the clown. Words cannot express the rage that clown triggered in me.
This actually made me laugh out loud. Your pain is not totally wasted.
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Old 05-16-2010, 10:08 AM   #32
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lmfao @ clowns, when I was a kid they used to scare the **** out of me

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Old 05-16-2010, 10:15 AM   #33
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The EV software available uses ICM which is fine for multiplayer situations but it isn't the greatest method for doing heads up luck. Simple example, I grind a guy down to 1bb and I have 49bb. We get all in as a flip and I lose the flip. I'm only out .5bb and 1% of the prize pool by ICM when in reality if I win that flip I win the whole prize pool so should be out 50% of the prize pool. I hope that makes sense. I might look into altering Juk's but not sure how much effort would be required yet.
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Old 05-16-2010, 02:34 PM   #34
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I'll expand further. It's a little extreme but it helps illustrate. My opponent either steals blinds or I get all in drawing dead for the rest of the match (after the flop or something). He wins with me gaining no more equity from all ins. Now my luck EV says I only deserved that 1% EV from the first all in. He obviously deserved to win the match then right?
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Old 05-16-2010, 03:02 PM   #35
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I'll expand further. It's a little extreme but it helps illustrate. My opponent either steals blinds or I get all in drawing dead for the rest of the match (after the flop or something). He wins with me gaining no more equity from all ins. Now my luck EV says I only deserved that 1% EV from the first all in. He obviously deserved to win the match then right?
If you're a good player than you'll start getting into situations where you're ahead or at least calling correctly and not drawing dead so your AIEV will balance out and start going up. It does not account for non-AI pots, so you can have an upwards AIEV line and still be a losing player
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Old 05-16-2010, 03:20 PM   #36
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If you're a good player than you'll start getting into situations where you're ahead or at least calling correctly and not drawing dead so your AIEV will balance out and start going up. It does not account for non-AI pots, so you can have an upwards AIEV line and still be a losing player
I'm just trying to point out that the AIEV is not the end all be all yet comparing it to actual results and trying to use it to determine if you are a winning player makes it seem like it is all that matters.
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Old 05-16-2010, 03:27 PM   #37
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Agreed. If I ever go back on ft I'm disabling avatars and making mine the clown. Words cannot express the rage that clown triggered in me.
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Old 05-16-2010, 03:29 PM   #38
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Well AIEV defo not the whole game, but it is one part of the game. In superturbos stax are small so AI situations are more frequent than in turbos or regspeeds. Also, if you have a negative AIEV over a significant sample that means you're doing something wrong in AI pots and that there is room for improvement in your play.
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The EV software available uses ICM which is fine for multiplayer situations but it isn't the greatest method for doing heads up luck. Simple example, I grind a guy down to 1bb and I have 49bb. We get all in as a flip and I lose the flip. I'm only out .5bb and 1% of the prize pool by ICM when in reality if I win that flip I win the whole prize pool so should be out 50% of the prize pool. I hope that makes sense. I might look into altering Juk's but not sure how much effort would be required yet.
The software's perspective is right, very silly to think losing 1% of chips in play is losing 50% of prize pool in EV
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Old 05-17-2010, 02:06 AM   #40
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Also, if you have a negative AIEV over a significant sample that means you're doing something wrong in AI pots and that there is room for improvement in your play.
lol?
how can you improve your allin luck?
to clear the carma and just start running hot?
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He means if your expectation in all-in pots is negative it might mean you're doing something wrong. Not the luck difference

It might also mean the people you're playing are too nitty, though.
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Old 05-17-2010, 06:35 AM   #42
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can i get full tilt to ban me from these stupid things? im pretty sure stars support can restrict tables but i bet ft cant cause theyre worthless
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Old 05-17-2010, 08:50 AM   #43
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He means if your expectation in all-in pots is negative it might mean you're doing something wrong. Not the luck difference

It might also mean the people you're playing are too nitty, though.
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but how can we see our allin equity? its too complicated to use correct kind of filters in HM, like allin preflop=true, allin flop=true.... etc?
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but how can we see our allin equity? its too complicated to use correct kind of filters in HM, like allin preflop=true, allin flop=true.... etc?
The program I use only considers cEV of all-in pots so there, but for HEM users their line is an even better estimation of "am I playing well" because it takes into account whether you're winning lots of pots without showdown too. If your expectation isn't positive in HEM/your program that says a lot.
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