The Superturbos (aka "sejjeturbos") Discussion Thread

[u cnat spel]

Originally Posted by Gonfy

Hi there,

I have played 483 games, mostly $1.5, i switch to $3.5 a few days ago. My roi is 8%, ITM is 56%. (when running great, i won 10 games in a row). But i just play < 10 games a day. I dont know why i cant push more volumes. What's wrong with me?

Inexperience. Weak mental muscle.

[NoMeansYes_]

Originally Posted by Gonfy

Hi there,

I have played 483 games, mostly $1.5, i switch to $3.5 a few days ago. My roi is 8%, ITM is 56%. (when running great, i won 10 games in a row). But i just play < 10 games a day. I dont know why i cant push more volumes. What's wrong with me?

You should ask a doctor. I wouldn't trust any other than a professional opinion and this sounds very cereus.

[Gonfy]

hi u cnat spel,

u may right, i think i fear variance will kick in and i will lose. maybe i should find some goal to push myself.

i should go and read some psychology articles.

[BustoFish]

Originally Posted by Gonfy

Hi there,

I have played 483 games, mostly $1.5, i switch to $3.5 a few days ago. My roi is 8%, ITM is 56%. (when running great, i won 10 games in a row). But i just play < 10 games a day. I dont know why i cant push more volumes. What's wrong with me?

lol

[PokerGives]

1800 games, roi -3%

[Gonfy]

i think i should start a blog with a goal. something like visiting london or buying an audi

[fastcolt]

Hey guys im doing some data-analysing of my database...

im filtering on different stats (basically just for fun, its not like im doing a crazy study or really looking to find sick edge here, but it might wield interesting results)

im kind of struggling tho

What im kinda trying to do atm, is categorize different kind of people and diff playstyles in STs together

So for example get a group of strong reg players and see how there style differs from weak reg players (im guessing mainly higher agression and less paying off)

Thing is, im having a hard time classifying/making my mind up what i should pick as cutoff to make someone part of one group or another, so i figured id ask input here;

Keep in mind, this is about Superturbos HUSNGs.

i currently use these stats to group players by ;

VPIP
PFR
3Bet
Agression Factor

and right now im trying to "define" a "range" of regs

my initial guess was vpip 40-75%
PFR 40-75%
3b; 10-30%
and aggression factor; 1.8-4

however, surprisingly this wields only a very few select results
20 players out of 5000 +-
And ive played many more regulars
so im curious as to what am i overlooking/which stats should i add are my cutoffs wrong?

Also what would the ranges look like for a too nitty opponent, a drooler fish, a superpassive fish etc.

Ive always had a hard time defining player types into numbers or stats because frankly i dont like putting alot of faith in it.

my initial guess was vpip 40-75%
PFR 40-75%
3b; 10-30%
and aggression factor; 1.8-4

As for full tilt poker database

i see h2Olga , R-quaresma, bullettooth666, karlizl, ricestud , 1690 AD, and John521 fall under this (30 out of 11K players) which seems like a good selection of good players at husngs.

I just dont feel like this is wide enough to define winning regular tho, so what do i widen?

[Hundrye]

You have to keep in mind that all these stats are of hands played against you (assuming you didn't buy DBs or datamine or whatever) so it's not representative of their stats as a whole

[fastcolt]

im aware, im also not trying to identify an optimal playstyle or copy someones game or anything trough this (and i havent purchased any DBs)

I still dont understand why i get such a limited result i mean 20 out of 5K players that fit this criteria ;
vpip 40-75%
PFR 40-75%
3b; 10-30%
and aggression factor; 1.8-4

vs me still seems very small because these stats define what i would think are the good proper stats for succesfull winning regulars, or the ones i would have the biggest issues with, those who have a decent range and are aggressive enough

But im very aware of your remark, else i wouldnt have posted the SN's that fell (among others) in the 20 players ive gotten as a result for this criteria, because that would be highly unethical if it was anywhere near a good representation of their overall gameplay vs the population.

Im just shocked only such a small portion of people fall in to the criteria above mentioned.

If you were to define a decent reg by using stats, what would it look like, given that u can choose from the following stats;

Minimum Maximum Sample#Hands
VPIP
PFR
V/P Ratio (is this more interesting then VPIP and PFR seperately?) (what kind of numbers would you have here for diff player types?)
3B
Steal
Aggression Factor
Aggression %
WTSD
W$SD
WWSF
BB/100

Everyones input on this is greatly appreciated, im really bad at using database software and putting playstyles into exact numbers so im very curious in opinions about this ^^

[quinn132]

Agreed with hundrye, stats of reg vs a specific type of reg are going to be way off the average stats vs the population.

Saying that i am pleased to hear my first 5 days of playing hypers on stars i fit into what you concider a solid range of stats. But at the same time down at the micros maybe there not.

to me 10% 3bet is super nitty and 75% pfr is complete maniac, thats raise 100% buttons and 3bet/raise limp 50%.

[fastcolt]

Originally Posted by quinn132

Agreed with hundrye, stats of reg vs a specific type of reg are going to be way off the average stats vs the population.

Saying that i am pleased to hear my first 5 days of playing hypers on stars i fit into what you concider a solid range of stats. But at the same time down at the micros maybe there not.

to me 10% 3bet is super nitty and 75% pfr is complete maniac.

To me as well
so i thought i had a fairly WIDE range for the stats, as for the PFR 45% is HUGELY different from 75% PFR hence im conflicted it wields only 20 players that fit all the criteria

keep in mind the criteria is

10-30 3B AND! PFR 40-75% AND! VPIP 40-75%

not OR


(also, while hundryes point is a fair one, i dont think it matters much, because while trying to chop up my entire database into different type players, the type "GOOD REG", will be pretty much the same as the type; "NOT WORTH PLAYING" for me )

[quinn132]

sounds shocking to me also, why not filter for all combos of 3 of the 4 requirements and find out which one of the stats is limiting the results so much.

[fastcolt]

im currently tweaking the aggression factor a little and recalculating

i just need more input from you guys to be honest, because this aggression factor i have no clue what is aggro and what isnt lol

[quinn132]

My results are these after 5k hands

vpip 69
PFR 57.5
3b; 24
and aggression factor; 2.5

[fastcolt]

Ok now that ive just left out aggression factor and 3b factor (because of sample size etc, like if you just play one game it seems unlikely that villain will 3bet u more then a 10 hands sample in other words your samplesize on villain is not sufficient enough for him to let it be picked up )

And now i get 14% of the pool that qualifies under the

40-75 VPIP AND! 40-75 PFR

which feels more like a hey 14% of all the people i play are reggish and it seems more accurate, but from a logical point of view

That seems not like it is not an accurate definition of a regular player at all, if we only look at VPIP and PFR ...