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Old 06-22-2012, 02:29 PM   #1
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sick top pair fold on river. after a lot of action

Vilan is a mega fish, i raised river to extract values from other hands but i assume if he rereraises he has me beat.



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    BB: 1,476 (18.5 bb)
    Hero (SB): 1,524 (19.1 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with A T
    Hero raises to 160, BB calls 80

    Flop: (336) 6 2 6 (2 players)
    BB bets 80, Hero raises to 250, BB calls 170

    Turn: (836) 3 (2 players)
    BB bets 80, Hero calls 80

    River: (996) T (2 players)
    BB bets 80, Hero raises to 350, BB raises to 880, Hero folds

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    Old 06-22-2012, 02:37 PM   #2
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    Re: sick top pair fold on river. after a lot of action

    I read you want only constructive replies. Ok - so here we go... You put yourself in terrible situations - stop doing that
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    Old 06-22-2012, 02:47 PM   #3
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    Re: sick top pair fold on river. after a lot of action

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    I read you want only constructive replies. Ok - so here we go... You put yourself in terrible situations - stop doing that
    Call river? :P
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    Old 06-22-2012, 02:57 PM   #4
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    Re: sick top pair fold on river. after a lot of action

    any reads on his donkbets? how much does he call/3bet oop? readless I'd jam river, prob flat flop too or at least make it smaller
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    Old 06-22-2012, 03:12 PM   #5
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    Re: sick top pair fold on river. after a lot of action

    ^ this

    Also as played, I find that blocker/raise is the nuts 99% of the time... just my personal experience. There just aren't many logical progressions(even poor logic) that lead to people taking this line with a bluff/worse I guess
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    Old 06-22-2012, 05:38 PM   #6
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    Re: sick top pair fold on river. after a lot of action

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    any reads on his donkbets? how much does he call/3bet oop? readless I'd jam river, prob flat flop too or at least make it smaller
    No reads on donk bets. Am i not to deep to shove flop being him a fish he might call with some pairs. What about fold on river as played?
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    Old 06-22-2012, 08:25 PM   #7
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    Re: sick top pair fold on river. after a lot of action

    Grunch.

    That you do not have a single read by 40/80 is not good.

    I like your play just fine until we get to the river. You say you're raising to extract but that seems unlikely.

    I'm going to assume that villain flats pp below 88, Ax, broadways, connectors, middling suited gappers. Like 40%.

    OTF, the bet sizing doesn't tell us much without reads, might be a weak stab, might be value, I usually find that preflop flats followed by flop donks is weak. But again, minus reads, who knows?

    You raise, villain flats. I'd say villain is doing this with a strong 2x or better, maybe a few gutshot straight draws, so 120 hands.

    I think the raise OTF is completely fine, sure you're folding out worse but you're folding out hands that have equity and that's not so bad. Problem is, this range that's calling has like 70% equity vs. your hand so once you're flatted, I think you need to proceed cautiously and getting more money into the pot is a Bad Idea.

    I'm not sure turn tells us much at all, could be a bluffy player trying to rep a "I'm willing to call your raise and still lead into you" sort of line. You flat.

    Now comes the river and we can't say much except that it is a villain who is willing to push forward on three streets, maybe trying to control the pot a bit, maybe trying to buy it cheap, maybe this means villain is strong as hell.

    You're 55% vs. the range I posited calls your flop 2b. Villain bets, you raise.

    How much FE do you have? I think you're folding out, on average, some 2x and no 3x but that doesn't much matter since 3x and 2x comprise so little of villain's range.

    Once those hands are excluded, everything left (~97 hands) is calling and you're 50/50 vs. that range.

    Meaning there's no value to be had.

    Worse, about half of them are going to reraise you so that half the time your play is net -t350. So when you're called you're not making any money on your (perceived) thin value bet and when you're raised you lose 100% of your equity in the pot, which was a substantial 50% before your raise.

    Flat the river and see a showdown.

    glgl.
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    Old 06-23-2012, 01:34 AM   #8
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    Re: sick top pair fold on river. after a lot of action

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    Also as played, I find that blocker/raise is the nuts 99% of the time... just my personal experience. There just aren't many logical progressions
    54. Easy game. Call river, we acomplish nothing by raising. Once he DB-call a bell goes of.

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    readless I'd jam river, prob flat flop too or at least make it smaller
    He never bluffs with this line, and we can forgett that we hit on river because with this line from villain it doesnt help us alot.
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