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Old 07-02-2011, 06:33 PM   #76
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Re: Rules, FAQ and Best Of Threads (READ BEFORE POSTING) [Don't troll in strat threads.]

Yeah - a little more self-control should hopefully help here.

On the one hand, the regs thread is off-topic anyways so some bad beat every once in a while won't hurt that much - but we also don't want to encourage every low stakes beginner to post like very time he's lost with Aces either.
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Old 07-24-2011, 12:08 AM   #77
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Re: Rules, FAQ and Best Of Threads (READ BEFORE POSTING) [Don't troll in strat threads.]

Now that we're getting more and more SuperTurbo hands in here - would be great if everyone could label their threads.

Like "$30 ST - A5o in BB".
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Old 08-07-2011, 04:32 PM   #78
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Re: Testing an assumption ($50 calldown)

I heard someone got banned for posts in this thread.... ? but why? questions meant with all due respect of course, I thought Cutcha's points were quite valid

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Old 08-07-2011, 04:46 PM   #79
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I heard someone got banned for posts in this thread.... ? but why? questions meant with all due respect of course, I thought Cutcha's points were quite valid
lol at edit. Because I have such a long history of banning people in this forum. Can you name another?

Cutcha's strategy points in the thread were fine. I don't ban people for their thoughts on card removal or betsizing however imprecise they may be.

He had recently been unbanned after promising another mod that it was his last chance and that it was OK to give him a really short leash. He then gets infracted in another forum and posts this in a strategy thread here:

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What are your actual claims/assumptions on this hand since we are all telling you ours for free and ur prolly gonna make some $ off this article?


He has a long history of trolling and I think he's useless. If you disagree, feel free to PM me or ChicagoRy. If there's popular demand for unbanning, let us know.
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Old 08-07-2011, 04:56 PM   #80
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Re: Rules, FAQ and Best Of Threads (READ BEFORE POSTING) [Don't troll in strat threads.]

Or Newff. I hear Newff is a mod these days.
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Old 08-07-2011, 05:05 PM   #81
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Old 08-08-2011, 12:05 AM   #82
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What are your actual claims/assumptions on this hand since we are all telling you ours for free and ur prolly gonna make some $ off this article?

I am here discussing strategy and would love to gain some of your insight because that means I would be gaining knowledge and growing as a poker player.
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wow, did you really ban cutchalosses for that post??
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Old 08-08-2011, 02:26 PM   #83
 
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Re: Rules, FAQ and Best Of Threads (READ BEFORE POSTING) [Don't troll in strat threads.]

I believe there was a bit more to it than that.

Basically, Cutcha has a long history of trolling people, in particular Mers. He admitted that his previous posts raising concerns of Mers coaching abilities were just troll remarks and he was basically just jealous bc he himself was trying to coach. That is obviously well over the line. In any case, Cutcha self banned himself so the issue was fairly moot.

Then Cutcha asked to come back. He told me he wanted his account back for staking/action buying type stuff and that he would absolutely behave and contribute normally and so on. One of his online friends agreed and said that the same.

I made it clear I didn't want to have to deal with any of this drama crap troll crap etc. I'm not here to babysit or talk to people all day about if using the word retard 12x in a post war to another poster warrants a ban or infraction or whatever. I think we're beyond that in this forum.

In any case, I let the other mods know of this with a note on Cutcha's account explaining what had happened.

So when Cutcha made that post to Mers, obviously you have to take it within the context of Cutcha's history of making up publicly damaging lies about Mers abilities (and admitting as much later), and Mers is certainly aware that I told Cutcha not to do that kind of stuff.

I personally don't care if he's back or not, but the ban clearly had some historical context within it.

And of course now I'm dragged into dealing with this garbage. One thing I say "don't troll or flame" and of course he has to say something to the one person he trolled the **** out of historically.

Anyways, besides the massive amount of IMs I've exchanged over this with Cutcha, I told him he could talk to Mers (if Mers wants to) or talk to an admin who will handle any unban or reasoning decisions. It's up to Mers and/or admins what happens.

This is all pretty ridiculous to me though, reading through it again I really feel like crap for wasting so much time on such a stupid thing. It's really really simple, people are hardly ever banned here, I think besides bot spammers the last banning was somebody who scammed a mod and a regular user of this forum, I can't recall any other bans in the last few months.
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Old 08-08-2011, 05:00 PM   #84
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Re: Rules, FAQ and Best Of Threads (READ BEFORE POSTING) [Don't troll in strat threads.]

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Basically, Cutcha has a long history of trolling people, in particular Mers. He admitted that his previous posts raising concerns of Mers coaching abilities were just troll remarks and he was basically just jealous bc he himself was trying to coach. That is obviously well over the line. In any case, Cutcha self banned himself so the issue was fairly moot.
He should've trolled someone else than a mod I guess. But you should be able to handle criticism without using your powers as a mod anyway. I can think of a bunch of other trolls that aren't banned.


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This is all pretty ridiculous to me though, reading through it again I really feel like crap for wasting so much time on such a stupid thing. It's really really simple, people are hardly ever banned here, I think besides bot spammers the last banning was somebody who scammed a mod and a regular user of this forum, I can't recall any other bans in the last few months.
Where does this ban fit into this line? I'd like some consistency. Please unban Cutchalosses because this doesn't feel right at all.
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Old 08-08-2011, 05:22 PM   #85
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Re: Rules, FAQ and Best Of Threads (READ BEFORE POSTING) [Don't troll in strat threads.]

Can some1 please update the starting post, so that the new wells, pooh bahs and other solid threads are in? If those threads get bumped off the first couple of pages ppl might miss them, or lose track.
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Old 08-08-2011, 05:24 PM   #86
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Re: Rules, FAQ and Best Of Threads (READ BEFORE POSTING) [Don't troll in strat threads.]

Or they could stick it for a moment.
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Re: Rules, FAQ and Best Of Threads (READ BEFORE POSTING) [Don't troll in strat threads.]

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He should've trolled someone else than a mod I guess. But you should be able to handle criticism without using your powers as a mod anyway. I can think of a bunch of other trolls that aren't banned.




Where does this ban fit into this line? I'd like some consistency. Please unban Cutchalosses because this doesn't feel right at all.
He was initially not punished for his remarks. He then admitted that his remarks were flat out lies, that he did not believe what he was saying when accusing Mers of ripping people off/scamming people or whatever in that thread. That alone would've been a permanent ban, you don't call people scammers and deliberately try to hurt them (any coach in any forum) then admit you were just selfishly lying and not get banned.

But in his admission he requested a self ban, so the situation had resolved itself at the time.

Then he asked nicely to come back, I said fine, just don't troll, he said sure no problem I won't make any troll comments. Then apparently he trolled Mers and Mers banned him.

If he would've done the same thing to any coach in the coaching listings or any coaching in this forum (whether it was a husng.com coach or brokerstar or kongs or moshman) or any forum he would've been banned originally (but he banned himself first). I don't know how I can make that any more clear.

In any case, I can't unban him even if I wanted to, since Mers made the banning it's up to him and the admins, not me (moderators cannot undue other mods decisions without that mod's consent or the admins giving the green light).

Don't feel if this is right, read what happened. Look at cutcha's posting history, particularly in March. Tell me why he should still be around, why he's being treated unfairly? Maybe he can come back, I don't know, if Mers and/or admins decide that fine, but I sure as hell am not going to bat for a guy that treats other community members this way. I don't know why you would either.
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Old 08-08-2011, 07:15 PM   #88
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Re: Rules, FAQ and Best Of Threads (READ BEFORE POSTING) [Don't troll in strat threads.]

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Please unban Cutchalosses because this doesn't feel right at all.
If others feel this way, definitely post. Especially if he's made contributions that I've missed.


I have no history at all of abusing mod privileges or running to a ban too quickly (and I've gotten into plenty of spats with other users), other than reading every single one of yaqh's frequent deleted posts. CL was a poster who was explicitly given a very short leash before unbanning, and then picked up his 4th infraction in the last year (none of those were related to me) and then this would have been his 5th.

His other posts in that thread were actually probably the biggest contribution he's ever made to this subforum so that's a little ironic.

I'm happy to let Mat rescind the ban if he feels I was too harsh.

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Old 08-08-2011, 07:26 PM   #89
 
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Re: Rules, FAQ and Best Of Threads (READ BEFORE POSTING) [Don't troll in strat threads.]

Here, I did it for everybody to see. Here are his posts in Mers FastTrack thread. I didn't want to ban him at the time because I felt it would look biased/conflicting. I think that was a mistake in hindsight and I shouldn't be such a wimp when it comes to something like the below (but you tell me if you disagree and why please).

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so basically u have a 15 percent free roll in everyone monthly for what they net
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So $225 per month to be a part of ONE 5-10 person hour long session with you! and be able to post on a private forum and have all questions answered by you all month?

Am i reading this right?

You will let us share an hour with 5-10 people who only pay you between 1125-2250 and also give us access to a private forum. A month! wow and here I am about to create a completely FREE training site with legit top pros. This is def the way to go.
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225 benefits for u
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Sounds like somethin
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Ummm profit off of everyone?
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Well that was me and ur using it as an argument that it wont affect the games much

So then in my oppinion ur using ur image to rip people off or it will be bad for the games?

Either scenario is not good for me and im sure a lot of others fit into the category with me.

Good for u though props
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I dont care if u coach people or improve people i just think its a ripoff what ur offering. Ur offering for 225 a month 4 hour group sessions with 5-10 people in it anf access to a private discussion board.
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Lol dude i made a coaching thread saying i could beat most 570 regs besides u. Anyways i can have my oppinions and u can have ura and im not the only one whp thinks what i said im just the one who said it. And as far as your hu for rollz offer no thank you
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Even thouhh i dont like thoac atleast he speaks up while people like jackoniel is on everyones balls
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Maybe in husngs he should be aftet how many games and time hea put into them ive played much less than him and u.

Im not the only one not liking this yet u only attack me. This is for profit. Maybe he can make more with variance but this is guar money
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Yeh i shut it down, and i was charging more, but not 225 to 5-10 people for a group hour lesson. That means he is getting 1-2k per hour session and posting/ commenting on more hands when he does that for free anyways. He is basically connecting people who are already connected in thr poker community on 2p2 and charging an absurd ammount. People woulf gain more getting one hr of private coaching when most coaches will talk to their students at anytime. Sorry this post is from my phone.Not many people would pay him 500/ hr that is a ton of money and i doubt his hourly is 1-2k. I do also realize he has to charge more than his hourly to make it worth it to him since hes improving the field
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If husng isnt running this why did my thread offering one on one coaching for 15 percent 4 times a month grt shut down? My understanding this thread got to stay and mine didny was because husng.com sponosored the forum so i guess this does have something to do with husng.com
Note: The above was clarified in the thread.

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Honestly i dont even care anymore, gl to u mers and your site i hope everyone gets really really good for cheap
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I can see how you think that. I'm sorry. It doesn't seem that bad when you explain it like that. I haven't/don't value that aspect as you and other people seem to. If you are really going to interact on the forum and that is what you believe a main contribution to the cost is then its ok and I think it will be worth everyones money. I was just stressing on the one hour group session to be the bulk of this program and that is obviously not what you and the students are intending for. I basically didn't think just one hour of group coaching would help improve someone very much. Working together and motivating each other with you interacting in the forum will.

I'm not against coaching or improving everyone either I would. My gf and I are in a bad mood today. I hope this works out for you and everyone. Don't make the competition too tough though
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seems legit and could help a lot of people.
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i think its a great idea for a lot of people
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i think he takes it seriously for the most part and isnt just gonna not help u get better.
There you have it. 22 posts out of the first 100 were from Cutcha. I've never seen trolling of this level in this forum, have you?
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Re: Rules, FAQ and Best Of Threads (READ BEFORE POSTING) [Don't troll in strat threads.]

Yeah, it's pretty bad indeed, I can see why you put him on a short leash. I however do not believe any leash to be short enough to ban him for "What are your actual claims/assumptions on this hand since we are all telling you ours for free and ur prolly gonna make some $ off this article?".

For all you know he's a genious leveller and if he isn't levelling I still don't see this as a bannable or even infractable offense. I know nothing about 2+2's policy though.
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