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10-22-2014 , 07:14 PM
wow...nearly 8 years in this forum and I thought I saw everything.

If you study away from the table I think you might find a few flaws in your reasoning...(Hint: effective stacks and value of the push fold game are fun concepts)

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Originally Posted by Poisonlolz
Oooo I live in Melbourne too perhaps we can share strat
Thanks but I like to work alone and I am not a very sociable person I am afraid

Last edited by genher; 10-22-2014 at 07:23 PM.
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10-22-2014 , 07:34 PM
oh and make sure to shove KK-AA over a minraise 12bb effective to maximize fold equity
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10-22-2014 , 07:50 PM
c'mon poison, u can't be serious
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10-22-2014 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Poisonlolz

Example 2:

PokerStars Hand #122976838826: Tournament #999428000, $28.80+$1.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2014/10/11 0:27:01 ET
Table '999428000 1' 3-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: WCG|Rider (435 in chips)
Seat 3: Poisonlolz (1065 in chips)
WCG|Rider: posts small blind 15
Poisonlolz: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Poisonlolz [4c 9s]
WCG|Rider: raises 405 to 435 and is all-in
Poisonlolz: calls 405
*** FLOP *** [9c Qd 6h]
*** TURN *** [9c Qd 6h] [Ah]
*** RIVER *** [9c Qd 6h Ah] [5c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Poisonlolz: shows [4c 9s] (a pair of Nines)
WCG|Rider: shows [Kd 2d] (high card Ace)
Poisonlolz collected 870 from pot
WCG|Rider finished the tournament in 2nd place
Poisonlolz wins the tournament and receives $60.00 - congratulations!
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 870 | Rake 0
Board [9c Qd 6h Ah 5c]
Seat 1: WCG|Rider (button) (small blind) showed [Kd 2d] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 3: Poisonlolz (big blind) showed [4c 9s] and won (870) with a pair of Nines


Reasoning Usually 94o would be a fold in this spot, but I know that WCGRider is an extremely strong player, and has a mathematical apporoach to the game. He should be limp/calling most of his strong hands and shoving his weak disconnected hands, as he is the shortstack. 94o dominates a large chunk of his shoving range: eg. 54o, 74s, 82o and has good equity against the rest of his range.

sick call mate
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10-22-2014 , 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Poisonlolz
Sometimes 6BB stacks are better than 12BB stacks
yeah, def agree with this

first thing I do in any tournament is punt half my stack to improve my chance of winning

Last edited by biker; 10-22-2014 at 08:04 PM. Reason: lol
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10-22-2014 , 08:05 PM
jfc Spin&Go have killed the trolling game too... nothing but super solid regs left
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10-22-2014 , 08:51 PM
Unfortunately, members of the HU mafia have threatened me and forced me to remove as much strat from my posts as possible as I was revealing too much (I could only delete images). I thought the misinformation spread in the HU community by Mafia was so unjust to good Samaritan non-mafia regs. Its sad that some good people ITT still believe that having the short stack and having large stack is the same in HU situations.

My next post was going to detail how to crush HUSNG’s. Hyper HUSNG’s are basically Spin & Go’s that are a lot easier. Since you need a smaller bankroll for HU, all the nits, broke regs and fish swarm to HU. The ability to tableselect attracts bumhunters and protection by cartels makes it a perfect environment for angleshooters. That’s not to say that its easy to win in HU Hypers in fact hypers are a moderately tough format to beat. They are harder than live MTT’s and full-ring play money but not as hard as 6-max hypers and Spin&Go. (Number of players directly correlates with difficulty of game).


I wish you best of luck aspiring regs <3
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10-23-2014 , 01:08 AM
Poisonlolz please start a YouTube channel, this guy used to post some solid strat but he stopped a year ago. Would be really great if recs could find more solid advice like this when browsing the internet.
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10-23-2014 , 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Poisonlolz
Unfortunately, members of the HU mafia have threatened me and forced me to remove as much strat from my posts as possible
as a leader of 100s division i highly encourage you to post any guide or strat you want to.
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10-23-2014 , 05:42 AM
Amazing how many troll blind people ITT.
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10-23-2014 , 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by chinagambler
Poisonlolz please start a YouTube channel, this guy used to post some solid strat but he stopped a year ago. Would be really great if recs could find more solid advice like this when browsing the internet.
don't forget this guy's amazing strat threads too!
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10-23-2014 , 05:26 PM
Short question:

Are the luck adjusted winning numbers for spin&gos in HM2 correct?
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10-23-2014 , 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by toolazytoplay
Short question:

Are the luck adjusted winning numbers for spin&gos in HM2 correct?
No, if you finish 3rd. Its better to look for chips adjusted.

Formula to convert chips into ROI:
((chips won per game + 500) / 1500 * (1 - rake)* 3 - 1) * 100

Last edited by Qlka; 10-23-2014 at 09:40 PM.
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10-24-2014 , 05:30 AM
I think this is IMPORTANT for all that play Spin&Gos.

I mailed Stars, if they would honor and enforce deals made at the table, as their are specific rules in their tournament rules for that. But Spin&Gos are excluded from that according to their answer.

So not only is "Dealmaking unavailable" but they will also not honor or enforce a deal if you would agree to one and the other parties have a change of heart.

Dont make deals with people you dont trust 100%.
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10-24-2014 , 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by callme
I think this is IMPORTANT for all that play Spin&Gos.

I mailed Stars, if they would honor and enforce deals made at the table, as their are specific rules in their tournament rules for that. But Spin&Gos are excluded from that according to their answer.

So not only is "Dealmaking unavailable" but they will also not honor or enforce a deal if you would agree to one and the other parties have a change of heart.

Dont make deals with people you dont trust 100%.
I don't get why they do this.
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10-24-2014 , 05:44 AM
Well, considering all the **** they recently pull i´m not suprised really. Its just another ******ed decision by them. They becoming more and more like all the other poker rooms really, nothing better or worse. I just hope at some point there is a traffic **** to a new room as we have seen in the past players migrating...
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10-24-2014 , 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by callme
I think this is IMPORTANT for all that play Spin&Gos.

I mailed Stars, if they would honor and enforce deals made at the table, as their are specific rules in their tournament rules for that. But Spin&Gos are excluded from that according to their answer.

So not only is "Dealmaking unavailable" but they will also not honor or enforce a deal if you would agree to one and the other parties have a change of heart.

Dont make deals with people you dont trust 100%.

Lol another point not to grind that, no deals, high rake uber hig variance, stupid stars, and now they add conversion fee, just to to squeeze more money from us.
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10-24-2014 , 06:54 AM
Well... POV i guess... maybe you are a professional and your grind needs to earn you a somewhat steady income and you cannot go BE for a year to come.

For guys who can weather out 300 buyin swings since they have supplemental income and dont rely on this income, these games might be nice (once you hit it big).
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10-24-2014 , 09:52 AM
You just have to acknowledge that it's not 2005 now and online poker as a business has a much higher entry cost, like live poker at all times.

If you read LLSNL for a while, you'll notice that one of the common pieces of BRM advice is to adopt a puritan lifestyle, keep a rigorous record of expenses like people did before the advent of credit cards. Every spent cent should in one way or another serve the purpose of maximising the poker profit (including not dying of hunger or cold obv).

Ads say that poker is a game of ballers, but it's a beautiful lie to entice recreational players. Poker favours addicts who're desensitised to real-life luxury (as long as the body is functioning properly), whose only source of pleasure is excelling opponents.
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10-24-2014 , 10:05 AM
Tried poisonlolz minimizing strategy... i think i need to try harder

Total prize pool distribution:
38 x $60.00
17 x $120.00
6 x $180.00

Player finished 1st:
17 x $60.00
1 x $120.00
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10-24-2014 , 10:19 AM
The minimising strategy does make some sense. Cash game players have always complained about pro shortstackers who have a mathematical advantage due to big stacks making each other fold their equity in the main pot when the short stack is all-in. That's why buy-in obligations appeared, but nothing sensible can prevent pro shorties from not topping up, and they systematically play with a stack shorter than 40 bb after they lose a pot.
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10-24-2014 , 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by coon74
The minimising strategy does make some sense.
In case you havent noticed... its a 25bb format, so everybody is a shortstack...
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10-24-2014 , 10:56 AM
But people with 5 bb are supershortstacks

Harrington and Moshman wrote long ago in their seminal books about playing in the 'dead zone' (with a stack shorter than 1 bb), the main objective is to ensure that one of the opponents folds so that the main pot is contested in a two-way all-in. Playing with 1-9 bb (in the 'red zone') is not as profitable relatively to the stack size as in the dead zone, but some advantage of being short can still be taken.

It doesn't mean that becoming a shortie should be an objective, just if losing the all-in results in getting a supershort stack, one can stack off with a slightly lower equity than the pot odds call for.

That said, I think the minimisation strategy should be applied only when one of the opponents is a maniac, i.e. eager to (semi-)bluff into a protected pot. Vs two straightforward opponents, blind pressure outweighs the advantage gained by seeing them make each other fold.

Last edited by coon74; 10-24-2014 at 11:04 AM.
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10-24-2014 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by coon74
The minimising strategy does make some sense. .
NO it doesn't. It's 25bb winner takes all. only effective stack matter.

very different from cash games.

(also simple fact of tourney play: when short stack get a beat he is out, the big stack isn't)
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10-24-2014 , 04:35 PM
Thats not true. Stack size does matter. Its just not enough of a difference to make you change your style in most cases. But the shortstack does have an inherent advantage in 3max poker.
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