**Official PokerStars Heads Up SNG Improvement Thread**

[chaosad]

Originally Posted by DarkSide11

So you support this system because it is bad for players and good for pokerstars profitability?

I dont wanna see more lobbys. you prefer 5 lobbys right?
Ok 5 regs waiting for a fish and would not play against other regs.
But if there are more then 5 regs you still have the same problem with not enough lobbys...

If you wanna...
...improve the edge against other regs - lower the rake.
...motivate grinders - offer a leaderboard
...win new players - offer more pormotions

[DarkSide11]

Originally Posted by chaosad

I dont wanna see more lobbys. you prefer 5 lobbys right?
Ok 5 regs waiting for a fish and would not play against other regs.
But if there are more then 5 regs you still have the same problem with not enough lobbys...

I do not see problems with the old system where they had unlimited tables

[Krumb Snatcha]

Originally Posted by Cog Dissonance

I never heard of any complaints about the chop button on FTP and I hope Stars introduce it.

Half the threads that make poker look shady are "X said he would chop and ripped me off".

It's just bad publicity for poker and the site.

Saying no chops is not the solution, once the rake is paid, the money belongs to the players, and they should be able to chop their own money if it suits them.

+1

Anything to prevent ppl from getting scammed.

[TheTurbo]

Originally Posted by Cog Dissonance

I never heard of any complaints about the chop button on FTP and I hope Stars introduce it.

Half the threads that make poker look shady are "X said he would chop and ripped me off".

It's just bad publicity for poker and the site.

Saying no chops is not the solution, once the rake is paid, the money belongs to the players, and they should be able to chop their own money if it suits them.

This!
And a leaderboard / more promoss please

Has there ever been a single HUSNG promo? I can't remember one.

[Regret$]

A monthly freeroll like BoP would probably be good for HUsngs if it was a HUMTT. I can imagine some epic battles happening.

Chop button is no brainer for everyone including stars.

[Chumplestultz]

Originally Posted by Maso777

When the match finishes the rematch box steals focus and prevents you from returning to the table.

I'm often writing a note and it gets cut off. It is really frustrating.

If you select the option to keep finished tournaments open you get a chance to finish the note if the person declines the rematch (but often have to wait if they run down the time rather than make a decision.)

Could you change it so you can still access the chat/notes while the rematch option is open

+1 to this and to more promos

and +a mirrion to chop/make a deal button

[RigMeARiver]

Any love for a ladder-style leaderboard? i.e. points won/lost are based on the relative leaderboard standings of the two players.

[Vempele]

1) Higher buy-ins for Triple Draw, Razz, etc.
2) Why on Earth is there no $60 Razz turbo?
3) More fixed limit structures should be like Badugi - 10/20 is barely useful in Turbos and downright painful in regspeeds.

[ShaneO19]

Originally Posted by ShaneO19

I really do not understand this logic so if someone could please explain it to me I would happily change my opinion. If there are 20 regs all wanting to play at the same time (I think thats way overestimating it) then how exactly does having only 2 sit at once decrease overall wait times? If there are 20 regs all wanting to sit and wait then there are 20 regs wanting to sit and wait whether there is 1 lobby or infinite lobbies. Of course the games get filled faster once you are actually in the lobby but that does not factor the time spent staring at the lobby when you have 0% chance of playing. I guess if you are especially fast at registering or have a program to take advantage of the system (which is ridiculous) then overall wait times are probably shorter but there will always be others on the other side of that. FWIW I only get to play 10-12 days a month now and have been mostly playing on other sites so it isn't even that big of a concern to me personally.

Originally Posted by bighusla

Its because the more lobbies there are the less likely it is that a recreational player will sit your specific lobby. Also it looks very predatory to have like 5 lobbies on each level filled with 5 regs waiting for a recreational player to sit.

I tried explaining why I do not believe this is correct overall. Is there anything specific in my explanation that is wrong or doesn't make sense? The biggest misconception that people have IMO is thinking they can always be waiting in a lobby.
Obv nothing personal btw, I know we both want whats best for everyone.

[RigMeARiver]

Originally Posted by Vempele

1) Higher buy-ins for Triple Draw, Razz, etc.
2) Why on Earth is there no $60 Razz turbo?
3) More fixed limit structures should be like Badugi - 10/20 is barely useful in Turbos and downright painful in regspeeds.

I used to hate the 10/20 level when I started playing limit but now I love it. Slower structure = bigger edge with lower BR requirements and less variance. What's not to like? I could see a case for introducing a double turbo though.

+1 to your other points

[Maso777]

Please keep the lobbies the way they are right now. I don't want to see 30 people seated on their own table waiting for a fish to come along.

The hu cash lobbies are terrible, I'm amazed some sng players want to go in that direction.

[_dave_]

Originally Posted by Maso777

Please keep the lobbies the way they are right now. I don't want to see 30 people seated on their own table waiting for a fish to come along.

The hu cash lobbies are terrible, I'm amazed some sng players want to go in that direction.

100% this

[Vempele]

The second level accounts for a sixth of my edge (it's also the only level FPDB will show stats for) so the first level must have a minuscule impact.

[RigMeARiver]

Originally Posted by Vempele

The second level accounts for a sixth of my edge (it's also the only level FPDB will show stats for) so the first level must have a minuscule impact.

I have to say I don't understand how that's calculated, but I'm kind of suspicious of what it's telling us. Like, if you routinely reach 50/100 with a 2:1 lead, you're going to close out most of the time so it looks like that level contributes the most to your win rate, but that only happens because of the position you put yourself in during the earlier levels. Also a hidden benefit of the first level is that you already have pretty extensive reads by the time the swings start to be significant relative to stacks. Granted that's more of a factor in say, LHE than in TD where there isn't so much read-based stuff you can do.

[Tryst_]

Originally Posted by Maso777

Please keep the lobbies the way they are right now. I don't want to see 30 people seated on their own table waiting for a fish to come along.

The hu cash lobbies are terrible, I'm amazed some sng players want to go in that direction.

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