Splitpotbug doesn't matter HU.

Q please add 3bet call analysis. It's really important to be able to calc opponent's calling range to do the 3bet shove calcs right.

I believe 3bet call analysis is already there for HU spots?

We can continue this in icmizer thread so we dont derail it too much really.

I think he means the "calling the shove "ranges. Trying to define those was not the easiest bit.

yes please

awesome program. only prob i see with it is that it's not that useful at stack depths where people tend to have a significant jamming/limping range ... maybe i'm missing something tho?

Thanks a lot for your help so far and sorry for the late response. I've completely forgot that I've posted itt. PM'ed you.

you can change the stack deph between 0 and 25 bb deep. Do you mean above 25bb deep?

example:

let's say a player is minraising the button with 40% of hands at 13bb stx. it's pretty rare imo that this 40% is actually simply the top 40% of hands - a lot of players have a jamming and limping range that includes plenty of hands in the top 40% of hands. this 40% could be polarized, it could be the top 40% of hands not including weak AX, etc.

assuming that villain's raise % correlates to the top X% of hands doesn't seem very useful to me, esp when we know that the population tendency is for that to not be the case at certain stack depths.

same goes for the raise/call range - lots of players openjam weak AX <15 (often correctly) for example.

oh I just understood what you meant. If someone is using a strategy similar to ROFL for instance he won't be min raising a top % of hands, he might open shove some of his top % and min R others. Yes, you are right, vs someone doing this we can't input villain's range properly in this calculator.

yes that's I thought you meant. The good news is that the EV of 3 bet shoving vs someone doing that will always be higher than if he was raising his top 40 %. Because his 40% now include some weaker hands than if he was min raisng his top 40%

ya cool. i'm sure that's just absurdly difficult to program obv. i just think it's important people realize it some what bc a bunch of hands are 3bet shoves vs typical ROFL-type 40% pfr that wouldn't be vs just top 40% of top hands.

not hating on the program tho just trying to fig out how to use it best...great stuff, thanks again.

I understand, it's a very good pointyou are making.
I'll have to think if I could include some sort of option "villain minR ROFL 12" or something I'll think it through

I dl'd OOo since I take it the drop downs don't work in excel 03 to change the bbs and ranges? Anyway, when I try opening it with it, it freezes and doesn't respond anymore. What's causing this?

Maybe you could make another slide that would take some top % hands away? Doable?

it only works in excel 07 and later. Excel 03 didn't have some of the programming abilities.

Yeah, I see, but do you know why OOo is freezing and unresponsive every time I try to open it? (I am trying to open the other version designed for OOo too and I dl'd the 3.3 version)