Hi, i havent played poker for like 5-6 months , idk actually... I have been playing 6max cash most of time, i was 10NL reg. My friend who had played poker for 2 years moved from 50NL to Hyper turbo Heads up and over 4 months moved to 15$ games and makes more than he did from 50NL before

So i have decided to move to Hyper turbo heads up. Made up 100$ bankroll. I am totally clueless about this thing, i did watch few zzztilt videos about SB play, BB play, post flop game. I have played my first 550 games and my ROI adjusted is 3%(result ROI = 6% im a lot over EV) on lowest possible stakes - 1.50$. I am kinda dissapointed cause i know im playing against fish most of the time.
I am sure i wont move to 15$ games over 4 months . But im just interested how long would i take to move up limits to lets say 7$ games if i would play 80 games/ day avg. and spend 1-2 hours watching HTHU videos?

why exactly are you disappointed?

play 3,50`s now fish is the same and rake is less and then 7`s asap
like when you have 50 buy ins and feel comfortable beating 3,50`s
you can Always drop back to 1,50 if you dont feel good there or have a downswing or whatever

prob thinks his ev should be higher vs fish

but if he is clueless and just starting he is doing ok IMO

550 games is lol sample kid, I am 4,7% winner over 25k games and I had lots of b/e ev 500 games stretches. Variance is huge in allins and card distribution, remember that. gl

I would not try to grind my way up from 100$.
If you are able to deposit more you can fill up your bankroll to 50 buy ins for 3.5$. As soon as you feel you have a large edge at the 3.5$ level you can deposit more to play 7$ level.

As long as you know you are b/e or loosing it is probably good to play as low stakes as possible.

80 games per day is nothing.

80 games a day is a lot if you think about every decision for 3-20 sec and always play to improve (not as many hands as possible).

Try to focus on the quality of your play and not the quantity, but it is important to play often to become good. Take frequent breaks and stop playing if you autopilot.

Cannot really imagine spot where you have to think for 20 sec at micros.

it depends, if you just grind 80 games is nothing, but if you 1 table and focus on decisions and also spend some time improving off table, than thats pretty solid imo

Well, if OP is going to build bankroll only by playing those 80 games a day and dont want to deposit to be able to play at 7's it can take months to earn something. If he hits some downswing at the beginning (and there is reasonable chance for this even at micros) it can take weeks to recover with this volume.

That is exactly why I recommend depositing more as you move up.

Why waste hours on mindless grinding when you can earn more money outside poker, and spend your time improving at the (virtual) poker table.

There are spots I can think about/analyse for an hour and still not come to a definite correct answer, but I have maximum 20 sec to make the decision when playing.

I am not here for more discussion, because there is probably no one who will read the replies and use them for anything productive.

Mindless grinding can improve your hourly way more than anything else - if you are winning player at particular stakes. There is no other way to learn how to multitable for example. Also only experience will allow you to spot standard situations where you can save a lot of time and make snap moves instead of thinking for 20 sec.

I know that 80 games avg. day is nothing, cuz i had a summer job ( now will go last school year) and spend some time outside of poker and school. I'm studying this zzzTilt videos. Is it worth memorising all those ranges(i've been playing chess for years so memorizing is kinda easy) mentioned in his video SB_play and BB_play?Because I was complete clueless about pre-flop game in HU, besides the fact that u need to be loose I was thinking to memorise it all and then just adjust a bit to opponents and also im 1 tabling and trying not to grind, but to improve

Are those ranges (zzzTilt) good for micros?

They should be pretty good default ranges. You should be striving to adjust to the opponent quickly and effectively though.

Starting ranges can be a huge help, especially when you're inexperienced, but long term, adjustments will be really huge.

It's the guys that get stuck in a stagnant strategy when they should be changing it (or get stuck doing something with a particular hand always, when it's entirely wrong in most situations) that struggle compared to the top regs.

If your friend made more at 15s than 50nl then he was doing something seriously wrong

Opponents at micros will call you down way lighter so do not 3-barell too often as a bluff. Also shoves from oponents are way tighter on average than what is given in zzztilt ranges, so you cannot call with the chart.

I started 5 months ago at 3,50s not playing as much as you plan to play. As the others said I would probably deposit more and start at the 3,50s. Single tabling and studying a lot while getting decent volume (1,5k-2k a month) and moving up to 7$ as soon as you have 50BI. By doing that (if you don't hit the biggest downswing, what happens reasonably often in hypers, you should be at 15s in just a few months. You will just probably work a lot on your mental game because hypers are swingy as hell. GL

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erm no? If it's zoom 50nl then you can win much more at 15s.

Definetly true that 15s are more lucrative than 50NL, I played both over big samples. I would think the difference will just grow as more and more fish find hypers, and 50NL have become a regparty at most sites. Btw that was 4 tables of 50NL zoom vs 1 table 15 HT HUSNG

I will probably move to 3.50$ at 50BIs. I'm planning to do the 3000 games/month challenge for myself, not gonna publish it anywhere ofc, just gonna track it in software and try to achieve it. Would be nice to spend 60hours/month studying as well if not more .
Worst thing about poker from my side is that you never know how good you are and you never know how good you need to be to play higher stakes (15$, 30$, 60$ in this case) so you never know how far you are from there ...

How many tables should an experienced grinder by able to play? If someone was 2 tabling for 6 hours per day how many games would one get in?

Depends on stakes and playing style I would guess at 15s and below 150/180 perhaps?

Think most regs now play from 3/4 when playing multiple stakes and opponents

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That was true in the past. But nowadays you even find waitlists at 15s and hyper HU have been around for long enough for fish to find them. IMO hypers already reached their peak of profitability when you plan on masstabling or putting in big volume at lower stakes such as 30s/15s.