I'm pretty sure they've already put enough money aside to fund all the jackpots (they're very rich, you know), so you do have the same chance to win 1000 buy-ins in every game you register for from now on

In fact, Full Tilt jackpots, both the $15000 and (later) the $75000 one, were won at the first nights when they were introduced, if I'm not mistaken (they're not going to be won every day, but the player interest was very big at the first nights and so there were more games running than later).

It's just a random draw to determine the prize for any game. So it will be possible to get the top tier prize right from the very beginning.

[edit: What he said ^ ]

Maybe pokerstars should throw some money in it just let there go off like 5 jackpots in a night while we watch isildur win the wcoop main

all of you complaining will sing a VERY different tune if you smash the $36k into your account. Theres a YouTube vid of a guy playing the 5 euro on Winamax and hits the 5k jackpot. One of the two other players was sitting out so he just blinded him off easy peazy. I really like these things and a one off at the end of the day.

Bros,

Step 2 is on the way.

Pokerstars.es just added casino games... one click away of hypers.

and pokerstars is suddenly turned into casino..

EDIT: How ***** stupid is that?

Out of curiosity, how is this a bad thing? Just about every poker client out there attached to either a sportsbook or casino has softer poker games than PokerStars.

I think it would be great if PokerStars expanded their business model into other areas where they are currently lacking when compared to their competition. They already have pretty much a monopoly on the poker side of things. Why not try and attract new players looking for the full experience of an online casino. Wouldn't it just lead to more casual player deposits?

It's hilarious how allergic Stars regs are to casino and sportsbook additions to the poker offering. They're going to do only good, attracting players who'll regard peer-to-peer poker as just another casino game. Before defending poker as a game of skill, recall how much money there is in chess. There has to be a huge luck element in poker for it to stay profitable, and it should be highlighted.

On the poker legalisation path, it's more +EV to try to legalise all games of chance than to persuade governments that poker is a game of skill. In particular, if they suddenly acknowledge the latter, then they'll have a carte blanche to take both corporate and personal income tax from poker profit while not charging income tax from other gambling winnings (and charging casino and poker operators at the same rate), and also they'll be censoring ads promoting poker as a game of chance, which are what's needed to boost deposits.

how much?

The Millionaire Chess tourney in LV is going to have a massive overlay despite the $1M prize pool and the $1K ($1.5K-2K for late birds) BI. It's regarded as an unprecedented open event in chess history.

Compare it to Sunday Million that has a bigger prize pool for a lower entry fee weekly. Leave alone nosebleed cash games.

Only about the top 1% of chess players can actually make a living out of their chess skill. Most of them have to coach for that (learning chess has aesthetic value, so there are many people willing to pay for coaching despite the fact that they'll never win that money back). The people who earn significant money by playing chess are usually grandmasters (~1400 people in the world) or, to some extent, international masters (3200-3500 people). There are about as many of them as Supernovas at Stars, and it requires much more work to become an IM than a net withdrawing SN.

my question wasn't precise, I wanted to ask what is the top 100 player's hourly (assuming he lives in Europe) and is it lower than top 100 husng player's hourly? can you give the approximate numbers?

don't want to derail the thread but it seems your repeating the common misconception that theres little money in chess

the millionaire tournament is pretty much a lottery and that's the reason only 6 out of 100 best players are participating. pros usually avoid US tournaments because unlike in Europe the payout system is extremely high-variance and the GMs dont get any special financial conditions

I'll try to find the numbers later, but regardless, I'm not interested in turning myself inside out to become a top 100 player. Being a top 5K player would more than suffice for me, and in this case I think I'd be earning more by playing poker than chess. My point is rather that chess 'paychecks' are top-heavier than poker ones.

According to a chess.com article:

Most SNEs (the top ~300 rakewise) earn at least $50K a year (their yearly VIP rewards are $100K+, some of them lose money 'at the tables', though). Also, a lot of 6-figure poker players aren't SNEs.

Here's Peter Zhdanov's 2012 estimate of tourney winnings of the top 10.

Of course Magnus is now a multimillionaire, but he's one of a kind, like Phil Ivey in poker.

Well, I won't argue it's rational - but damn I feel embarrassed at the start of a Spin when the slot machine is whirring. Terrified someone will walk in and look over my shoulder. Feels bad sitting in front of slots

Perhaps an AHK script suppressing that slot window can be written (or, at the very least, it's surely possible to close that part of the table temporarily by a monochrome rectangle, while the sound file can simply be replaced by silence). I'm not sure, haven't looked into it.

Top 10 certainly earns more than 200k. Not sure if you noticed that part
Also 100k for top 50 seems way too low. Obviously it depends on country, for Russians the numbers will be lower than for EU players. 70k for top 100 seems closer to the truth although still too low. An average european player at the bottom of top 100 earns at least 80k. Of course he doesnt grind 30-40h a week online, he works significantly less, so his yearly income isnt that big but the hourly should be similar to $200-300 hyper regs hourly (which should be roughly at the bottom of top 100 hyper players if the 1k and $500 cartels are still small)

But did you know that I'm Russian?

I don't think that a top 100 chess player works significantly less than a top 100 poker player. Chess players don't take part in that many tourney games, but the needed amount of preparation away from the tourney hall is immense. They can't get a GM title and sponsor contracts without thinking about the game day and night.

your wrong on this, you would be surprised how little an average GM works on his game, certainly not more than poker players. but I dont want to derail the thread, its about spin n gos (not sure why there are 2 threads though) so I will end the discussion here. if your Russian you can watch GM Kovalenko (2650) YT vid on this topic

JUST PLAYED A SH*TTY SPIN AND GO. 3 PLAYERS PAY $1 TO PLAY. PRIZE POOL $2.

FVCK OFF POKERSTARS

Close this one up?

Imagine $1000 spin and win, cool million dolla for the winner! Is chat blocked on these to stop private deals? I haven't played any yet.

I think so. Ryan (or Colin Moshman I suppose) can unclose if they think it's appropriate.

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