Arson: No regs are ever open jamming air above 20bb, and def not 2% of their open jams that deep are going to be air. I bet you cant find one hand in your database where you have open jammed air above 20bb yourself. If you can; Ill buy you a beer. If you doctor a HH I will know.
Originally Posted by NoMeansYes
Against a complete random I think it isn't weighted so much towards 22 - 55. Most fish don't know that jamming these is so good and show up with nutted hands and air a bit more often.
I agree with bolded.
I think that we can actually completely exclude the air% from this sample if we are trying to create the best possible calling range vs the average player.
If you look through your database and find the hands where villain has open jammed air, if you go through the rest of the game I am pretty sure you will find that villain is a complete retard(open jammer). I dont think Ive ever seen a random slightly loosing fish randomly open jam j2o for 20bb after playing 'normally' for a few hands. Also our database is going to be skewed towards these air hands because we are going to be calling wider in game after he open jams a few times(so we see more air at showdown than other hands).
Because we are trying to guestimate shoving ranges and the optimal calling ranges for those shoving ranges, which is all based on TINY sample sizes, I think that we need to exclude air from open jamming range because they are statistical outliers that can skew our data in a major way. We can actually predict these ingame also, and therefore we can make a more informed decision than just using our 'standard' range vs a random readless open jam 20-25bb.
Originally Posted by mrbambocha
We only need 48% eq at 25bb, and 76o has 48.85% vs 22-55 (reg). Just to show the point of calling lighter against regs. Just to streatch it further, 86o is 48.35%. So that means we can call alot weider against a reg an not just 98s+, right?
Yeah but some regs have 66 in their open jamming range, I hate it as a standard, but I have seen it, and to be honest I would be definitely open jamming 66 against you. Then our equity when we call with marginal hands gets ****ed right up and not only do we make a loosing play, we look incredibly stupid as well.
Actually, based on this thread, next time we simulsit, Im probably just going to open jam my entire value range vs you and expect you to call it off with 65o+.
[(joking)...or maybe not?]