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08-16-2014 , 07:09 PM

Gladiatoranc

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Pretty much readless. Villain have 100% cbet and 100% open in SB.

How do you guys play this flop, turn, and river and why? Do you think the 5s is a scary card? Do you ever consider reshove at some point?

PokerStars - $3.40+$0.10|10/20 NL (2 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 25.5 BB (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 60.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
Hero (SB): 24.5 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T

Hero raises to 2 BB, BB calls 1 BB

Flop: (4 BB, 2 players) 7

BB checks, Hero bets 2 BB, BB raises to 4 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

Turn: (12 BB, 2 players) 5

BB bets 6 BB

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08-17-2014 , 05:35 PM

hidequick

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I like a fold here ott, with that 5 every draw possible got there altough is the best card to bluff i don't mind letting go here.

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08-17-2014 , 05:41 PM

plappaslappa

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Absolutely 0 reason to bet flop

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08-17-2014 , 06:21 PM

Gladiatoranc

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Absolutely 0 reason to bet flop

are you serious??

8, 7, straight draw, flush draw, ...

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08-17-2014 , 07:56 PM

plappaslappa

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Originally Posted by Gladiatoranc

are you serious??

8, 7, straight draw, flush draw, ...

It's just my preference to not put ourselves in a position where we will get check raised off of our hand in a spot like this. I would much rather bet turn to keep the pot a bit low

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08-18-2014 , 09:51 AM

Gladiatoranc

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I don't mind a Ch'r on the flop because villain doesnt have many Aces in his range.

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08-18-2014 , 09:56 AM

Gladiatoranc

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I like a fold here ott, with that 5 every draw possible got there altough is the best card to bluff i don't mind letting go here.

I dont think the 5 is the most scary card. 6d or 9s are way more scary imo, but ya i ended up folding turn.

What do you think of 3betting the flop?

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08-18-2014 , 10:43 AM

plappaslappa

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Originally Posted by Gladiatoranc

I don't mind a Ch'r on the flop because villain doesnt have many Aces in his range.

This isn't true, not every person is going to be 3bsing their aces, also there are a lot of a2-7 in his range... If you already knew how to play this hand why did you ask how to play the hand?

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08-18-2014 , 11:36 AM

ToastBrot

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I like a c-bet here. I expect Villain to play almost his entire range passively and I believe there are instances were we would get 2 streets of value if we bet the flop but only 1 street of value if we check behind.
Imo bet-call flop, fold turn as it completes a ton of draws and he has some Ax aswell.
And I think 3betting flop is bad, cant really expect to gii good at this depth, especilly vs min check-raise.

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08-18-2014 , 12:02 PM

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none888

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Originally Posted by plappaslappa

It's just my preference to not put ourselves in a position where we will get check raised off of our hand in a spot like this. I would much rather bet turn to keep the pot a bit low

That is not a reason to check back flop. You should check back this only if check back ev is better than cbet ev, but in this case Id cbet all day this readless.

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08-18-2014 , 12:52 PM

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watergun7

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lol the cbet on the flop is beyond clear. If we have different sizings then TT should even be cbet as big as possible on this flop. We don't even have a diamond.

For us to check back this flop we must have some really sick reads (e.g. villain bets turn+ shoves river with 100% range against flop check back etc).

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08-18-2014 , 02:07 PM

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Gladiatoranc

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For us to check back this flop we must have some really sick reads (e.g. villain bets turn+ shoves river with 100% range against flop check back etc).

Ya that make sense, but im readless here so a clear bet. Also don't mind him, i think he's trolling...

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And I think 3betting flop is bad, cant really expect to gii good at this depth, especilly vs min check-raise.

Fair enough... So is there a stack size you would 3bet shove this flop or do you think bet\call will always be our best option readless?

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08-18-2014 , 02:18 PM

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Armed_Robbery

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3bet flop imo. reason: you are ahead way more often than you are behind and villain has decent equity with most of his ck-mr-range.

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08-18-2014 , 03:57 PM

#14

DOWS

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I like this line, dont see any reason to cback.

Turn is scary for us. Maybe call and fold river?

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08-18-2014 , 08:11 PM

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Gladiatoranc

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3bet flop imo. reason: you are ahead way more often than you are behind and villain has decent equity with most of his ck-mr-range.

What makes sense is if we think we are ahead on the flop then we should GII because turn and river cards because much more dangerous for us. On the other hand if we think villain would have A here often then IMO calling is best.

But this hand is readless so i don't know what is population tendencies on this board when an A is present. But i also think our hand is good often since the board is wet, villain min\raise which might show some weakness, and villain didnt 3bet pre which decreases the amount of aces he has.

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08-19-2014 , 11:19 AM

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Armed_Robbery

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villain being active and aggressive from the SB is reason enough for me to assume he will be aggressive from BB as well, so probably not flatting alot of Ax hands.

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