Hello,

I have recently read karmageddons thread about the stats in hyper HUSNG and I didn't really want to disturb his thread I decided to open my own.

I play the 3.5$ and have just moved to 7$, I have bought cog's course. The goal is to beat 30s/60s.
See my PG&C thread -> http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...husng-1242819/


The stats are on about 2k games. Any feedback will be welcome and hopefully we can form a good debate

looks like the same issues as karmageddon--play more hands IP and OOP. 3b more.

where is ur 5b stats?

Hey coffeeyay what do you consider good VPIP in SB and BB ?

100SB 75BB

But 85 65 solid too

Basically anything <75 <60 you're definitely losing potential winnings by playing too nitty.

YEAH THIS!

Cool. Sh*t Im way too nitty.

i'd be careful with trusting those statements. coffee has very little experience at lower stakes, to my knowledge he started extensively working with analysis tools when he was already playing 100s, so his recommendations are probably loose assumptions.

i have a 12k tournament database at 15s and 30s. i analyzed my expectation when flatting a pfr between 20 and 25bb with marginal hands as well as 3betting them. the analysis gave me pretty marginal results for the bottom of my ranges, even worse than -100bb/100 for the cutoff hands, albeit with a low sample.

the crucial point is: i played 47/29 over that sample from the BB. i have reason to believe that i might be able to add some marginal +EV 3bets to this range, but it is by no means secure to say that playing more hands improves your expectation.

i would go as far as betting against coffee if he decided to play 15s and had to show a profit with the bottom of his range if he is forced to have 60 vpip from the BB, assuming he game selects well and not intentionally plays against regs.

of course he can go ahead and claim that i just suck postflop, that is up for debate, but then again most of us lower stakes regulars are not playing perfectly postflop

I will try but I think this is directly correlated to my postflop skills and the fact that I play smaller stakes. As I move up in stakes I'm noticing higher agression and the need to 3b bluff lighter.

I forgot to add it in the report. My 5bet+pf stat is 62.5

This

no but really, i think you're likely falling into small sample size and confidence issues. I definitely think that playing more hands is something you have to do to get better at, so if you have a small sample are negative then give up chances are you just never got to the point where they're profitable. IMO low stakes is likely a pretty good place to do it since the negative expectation at the beginning costs you less $.

In the end it's always hard to talk about these kind of things in a vacuum and we should be adjusting our ranges quite a bit to our villain. I'm certainly not 3b bluffing vs a 30% opener, but I'm still flatting a decent amount of hands. And while stakes matter, in the end fish all play fairly similiarly and even at 100s I mostly play fish so I'm always a bit averse to the "it's so different at low stakes argument" but i always have to concede that i haven't played at low stakes in ages so I'm mostly talking out of my ass.

I am curious though what avg opening % is at 15s/30s, Ohly can you try to pull it from your db? maybe for like 18-25 and 10-18 effective stacks...

I'm actually thinking of starting a video series where i start off low stakes and gradually move up, ala the Skates series from way back. This may help me be able to more accurately answer these kind of questions What's group consensus as to the best stake to start at?

also Ohly I know you're solid (even tho you're a bit of a nit )

coffeyay, while you're here, can you take a look at this:

3.5's average opponent 20-25bb deep SB PFR: 45.8%
cbets: 67.7%/ 73.3% / 50%

Do you think it's fine to defend ~60% @ BB readless?
Also, what would be a good default line with 8-outer draws postflop?

Can someone please help me with filtering stats depending on stack size in pokertracker4 ? (20-25,17-19,16-13,6-12,1-5)

Thanks

can you explain to someone who is new at HUSNG how you tbale select and play mainly fish? OR are you just refering to the fact that the games are mainly fish invested vs reg infested?

How do you table select when the games register and fill up so quickly?

You open sit and are feared

Yeah definitely, 46% not that tight and given the low cbet% you are even more incentivized to play more hands. Something like 60-65% seems fine, I probably am not 3b bluffing anything other than suited stuff though given the 45% opening %, but depends a bit on population tendency to fold in 3b pots... might not be a good thing at 3.5s actually, probably just flatting wide is better.

the games are not going that Quick in the higher stakes, that why you can table select, if you "Win the lobby" the fish are comming to you, because the regs know your are a reg.

100$ reg vs 100$ reg = -EV

in games under 30$ (hypers) you can't table select much

i obviously did not mean to discredit coffee, i have a lot of respect for him, i just represent a different opinion on the given topic.

i had a look at the database on this workstation again. i have a sample of 27k hands total at the 20-25bb stackrange. people were opening non ai (could3bet=true) 54% of the time.

now with the bottom of my flatting range i had about -110bb/100, but it only results in a 200 hand sample for the aforementioned range. 3betting showed a better expectation than flatting, so loosening up with 3bets can be advantegeous. also with better postflop abilities you might turn those marginal hands into +EV hands.