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Old 02-01-2011, 12:33 AM   #1
 
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Hey guys.

I posted this in the heads up cash forum, but I figured some people in this forum might also wish to see the video.

Below is a free 15 minute introduction video from HUSNG's Barewire and Skates. In the video they preview their upcoming series "Moving From Hu Cash to Heads Up Sit and Go" and discuss common myths and misconceptions about heads up sngs.

They also discuss the important similarities and differences between the two poker formats.

Feel free to leave any questions or comments, Barewire should be able to field any questions about the content in this video or the upcoming series.

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Old 02-01-2011, 01:20 AM   #2
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cool, that is actually where i'm coming from
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Old 02-01-2011, 01:43 AM   #3
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Old 02-01-2011, 02:51 AM   #4
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lol, Barewire is a donk, he 3-bets mostly for value at the start of a match.
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Old 02-01-2011, 04:16 AM   #5
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Please also plan on a series FROM HUSNG TO HU CASH.
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Old 02-01-2011, 12:36 PM   #6
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Please also plan on a series FROM HUSNG TO HU CASH.
I know it's not directly geared at this, but you should be able to get started on that transition watching this series.
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watched the video.
quite nice it was, gg
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Old 02-01-2011, 02:56 PM   #8
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dont wanna start another thread so here we go.
moved to husng from mixed games in january and they seem uber-turbo-mega-soft up to the midstakes as far as i experienced. could you guys compare their softness to cash? i mean, not sure if should just build here and then move to hu cash or is it more juicy to stick to sngs now?
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edit: thats fine Barewire, thanks

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Old 02-01-2011, 03:00 PM   #9
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dont wanna start another thread so here we go.
moved to husng from mixed games in january and they seem uber-turbo-mega-soft up to the midstakes as far as i experienced. could you guys compare their softness to cash? i mean, not sure if should just build here and then move to hu cash or is it more juicy to stick to sngs now?
thanks in advance
just copying from the other thread, lmk if that doesn't fully answer it

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I think that it's hard to say any level of HUSNG is "easier" than cash, simply because in cash you're never forced to play a reg. If you mean the level of difficulty playing everyone at 50nl cash versus playing everyone at micro stakes sngs, the sngs are probably easier.

It's hard to say exactly how skill sets differ at the higher stakes, but I'd go so far as to say that the limits I'm playing now are somewhat similar in skill across the regulars. The $300-500 sng regs are probably about as skilled as the 2/4-3/6 regs who choose to play other regs. That's honestly a weird comparison to make though, because those same 2/4-3/6 regs would fail miserably in a $300 turbo sng, and the $500 sng regs would probably get crushed at 100bb against a 3/6 reg.

ROIs in the mid-high games depend a lot on structure, and a bit on your game selection. Generally ROIs increase as structure slows down, something like 1-2% for super turbo, 3-5% for turbo, 8-12% for reg speed and 15-20% for deepstack are all very attainable numbers. That said, average game length also increases steadily, something like 4min, 7min, 12min and 20min respectively is probably accurate for the FTP structures. Some very good players get 3%+ at super turbo and 8% at turbo, but I wouldn't be shocked if that was positive variance even over large samples.

sidenote: stars turbos are more comparable to ftp reg speeds, because they start at 75bb whereas ftp turbos start at 50bb.
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I know it's not directly geared at this, but you should be able to get started on that transition watching this series.
Actually was thinking about that. I would be just reverse engineering the course. When you say hucash players have trouble adjusting to this, I just have to assume the opposite. That husng players will have the opposite problem. And I am doing FTP deepstacks because I think they will make the transition easier.
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Old 02-02-2011, 01:26 PM   #11
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I always thought that people were trying to move from HUSNG to HUcash, not the other way around. I always thought that cash is where the money is for normal players as in HUSNG only the very best players make big money.

My plan was always to build a 5K USD roll and then try to play .50 NL.
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Old 02-02-2011, 01:47 PM   #12
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HU Cash certainly has a higher threshold since the biggest games are much bigger, but the structure of HU Cash yields an undesirable environment for improving at poker. The state of games right now is that probably 2% of the HU Cash population actually play each other, and the other 98% are waiting for fish and haven't played a reg in two years. That's a great way to fall to the bottom of the poker food chain and be broke if anything about your niche is forced to change (fish pool diminishes, HU Cash changes to KoTH, HU Cash is removed, etc).

Another important thing for me is that HUSNG allows you to learn short stacked play against other good players, which is an important skill in cap ring games which are very popular today. As someone who intends to learn those games in the future, I think HUSNG is a great start on the path towards the popular high stakes games.

Side note: I think people overestimate the hourly rate of HU Cash players simply because winrates are so high, most bumhunters are playing 10k hands a month tops which is the equivalent of like 200 sngs or something, it's an incredibly low volume environment. Lower winrates in HUSNGs with tons more action is certainly an attractive option imo.
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Old 02-02-2011, 02:45 PM   #13
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Lol cashaments
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