Originally Posted by ITRIED2WARNU

heres hoping bubba takes it to him 30k times in jail.

Originally Posted by sheket

Hey Prim,

I rarely if ever, post in these type of threads, but I'm simply in shock (at least for now, but I must admit I was chuckling throughout that long 1st post). However reality set in about 5 minutes (later) after completion of reading this thread and my heart really goes out to you.

I used to play a couple of levels below you in HU SnG's and watched you a few times to know not to tangle with you HU - which is why you might recognize my name but have never played me. You seem like a superb guy (and by my accounts in your early 20's). The reason I responded in this thread is to possibly give you some focus from here on (from a guy who is almost double your age). While we do crazy and very risky things in our 20's, it is best done so at that age, so we can gain experience from it and learn to avoid them for the future.

I would like to point out your superb self control and demeanor thruought this ordeal and how you didn't resort to any possible life changing events (such as stabbing Robert, even though the forum consensus dictates that, as the correct form of action in this situation). You should know that your type of self control will translate to huge profits over the course of your life (especially in poker, where bad runs DO OCCUR), as you are amongst the most unlikely to tilt off your funds when the going gets bad.

I'm certain you will recover from this rather sooner than later and be weary/more cautious in future situations. I can't forget my own 20's where I would lend/borrow large amounts of money until 1 day where a fairly small debt/continuous bad check sent me into a state of absurdness (where I was so determined to get this trivial amount ($3k) back I wouldn't stop at anything, just so I could -stupidly- claim to myself that no-one can screw with me). I literaly killed a person (fortunately they survived), err, his mother, not by violence but by my actions. To give you some insight, I knew this person had money as he drove a Porsche 911 turbo, most of which was derived by ill gains - which is probably why I was so infuriated. Anyways I will tell you what I had done, not to give any of you any stupid ideas but to show you how one simple devious act can easily change so many lives forever. After some back and forth minor retaliations, I decided to take it up to the next level. Knowing that his mother was grief stricken already by his mostly shady business dealings (he also just opened a night club), I decided at the prefect moment to call his mother late on a friday night (when he wouldn't be readily available to answer calls) and frantically called his mother looking for his brother since (my target) was just shot in the head by someone outside the club. Since the mother had spoken to me several times before, she had no reason to suspect me of making this up. Naturally she became distraught (as any parent would upon notification of such devastating news) and suffered some type of attack which resulted in a hospital visit. Though she was able to get confirmation within 20 minutes that her son was alive and well, the neurological/trauma damage had already been done.

Fortunately the other guy involved came to his senses and decided to end this situation peacefully without attempting even more revenge and possibly eventually escalating this to an actual murder. His cool and collected actions avoided this from haunting both of our lives, even though I came close to causing irrevocable damage.

SO, the point of the story is you DID the RIGHT THING BY JUST WALKING AWAY. I'm certain you will recover these funds and much more by being able to profit significantly in the future with your skills. It was an expensive learning lesson but think of all you were able to maintain: your freedom, your parents, your enhanced skills, your GF/(maybe wife to be some day)........ they are all worth much more than $30k.

GL, and stay out of my tables please.




Ps. You should consider sending/pitching a manuscipt to all U.S. film producers, this can easily be turned into a "catch me if you can" style movie.

Originally Posted by John Dough

TerribleNit, I don't think you understand. Sheep, yes, but almost everyone is in the right circumstances. People like Robert should still not be tolerated and even if the OP is his "prey" as you call it, he needs all the support he can get.

Psychopaths (the real kind) are unbelievably good at playing with other people. They know what strings to pull to make other people behave in ways which seem completely irrational to outsiders. They study you from the get-go and find out what your fears, dreams and deepest values are. They know exactly what to say and when to say it. I've seen highly intelligent, nice, family men degrade into depression and paranoia. I've seen someone pretty much give away his business and life's work to one. I've heard two different women lie in court because he made them believe it's the right thing to do. And, unfortunately, at least one person was last seen step into his vehicle.

A lot of things in the OP's story sound very familiar to me, just in a different setting. He did what he did because he thought it was the right thing to do. Robert made him think that by lending him more money, he'd be more likely to get the old debt back, as silly as it seems on the surface. Mind you, OP didn't lend him all the money after 10 minutes but over a relatively long period of time, during which Robert constantly manipulated him into thinking they are good friends.

And everyone thinks they are immune. I know I did, and I know many of my colleagues did. I had even studied about the subject, and it still took me almost two years to recognize who I was dealing with. It wasn't until one day I found myself suspecting that my own mother was trying to con me. It was a scary moment which kind of snapped me back to reality and made me realize someone had been planting thoughts in my head. What made it even scarier was when I started noticing how methodically he used suggestive language, anger, friendliness, tones of voices etc to do what he was doing. He made a ton of promises he never kept. He'd ask really stupid questions, that he would obviously know the answer to, to throw off suspicion (a lot of people thought he simply had a bad memory). I even started to notice things like fake phone calls; he'd act as if he were buying a sail boat or another company and things like that in order to make people think he is rich etc.