$10 HU SNG, first hand no reads
Me and Villain have $1500 chips
blinds are $10/$20
I am holding J T

Preflop>>>
Villain bets $40
Hero raises to $120
Villain calls

Flop>>> $240
2 6 J
Hero bets $180
Villain raises $360
Hero calls

Turn>>> $960
2 6 J 8
Hero checks
Villain bets $720
Hero goes all-in $1020
Villain calls showing J 6

Whenever I play the first hand of a HU SNG from the SB like this, it seems like the other person tries to bully me out of the pot. Given that no A or K shows up. My hand was fairly strong and so I decided to stack with it. Maybe stacking off on the flop is better, but no hands I'm beating are probably calling a re-raise there so I called instead. Mistake?

From his point of view he might be thinking I have an overpair, because a lot of people do, because of the 3-bet, and rightfully so. These people would only continue with two pair or better. Maybe some of those strong jacks and monster flush draws.

At the same time the flop is kind of dry. J62 is the perfect flop to continuation bet after a 3-bet, because the other person misses often. he might know this and raise me lighter than usual making my hand good.

What would you have done?

Oh, and another thing. Do you think calling a 3-bet with J6s this deep is a winning or losing move in the long run?

I dont play turbos but i think you overthink and overestimate your opponent abillities at this level

I would have called preflop.

MR call3bet with J6s against you is a winning move for sure. Maybe more J7s...

JTs isn't strong enough for that kind of aggression READLESS. If you want readless go play hyperturbos.

In turbos you have enough time to accumulate reads, the first 10 hands already give you some informations on the opponent. You make your profile from there and you accumulate more informations to reajust your profiling. You'll figure out that some stats can easily be card distribution and you can't make your profile from that accurately. But still, it's better than doing assumptions against someone you don't even know. For all you know your opponent could be a monkey pressing button on the computer, monkey don't think like us.

yes it was terrible imo. I think preflop is fine if you aim to create an aggressive image. flop I'd lean toward folding, turn is easy.

I think your problem is your reasoning tho. You feel like every first hand you are in the sb villain tries to bully you. I'd fold every SB 1st hand of HU for 100 sng's if I were you. That's just my opinion tho but starting a match with false believes can't be good. Beside I genuinely believe that's an idea you created in your head that is simply not true.

How did he create an account ? Monkeys have no ID's.

Would just flat first hand of the game. If you 3bet I would bet 1/2 cbet, maybe call his 3bet on the flop, but ott I just fold. As the other guys said you have time in a turbo game, yeah maybe he just gets it in with nothing, could be possible, but at this point your just guessing his hand and that can't be too profitable.

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I thought OP was soulreader. He must have pressed the wrong button.

Thanks for the help guys. So how do you define a turbo? I just assumed it was called regular, that turbo meant it was extra fast, and hyper turbo meant it was even faster.

Yeah in a turbo you start with 75BB like in a regspeed but the blinds rise faster than in a regspeed. In a hyper you start with 25bb and the blinds go up fast.

The difference in the stacksizes changes the approach to the game. As you play more shortstacked in hypers many of your decisions are preflop and postflopplay is more readless. And also hypers last 5 min most of the time.

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What is the cutoff point for determining whether it is a reg or turbo minutes wise. In the games I play the blinds raise every 6 minutes and it is titled reg next to the event. So I don't think I am playing turbos.

Well it's different from site to site but if we took pokerstars turbo example its 3 minutes.

Anyway with 6 minutes blinds you got a ****load of time to accumulate reads. Playing this spot readless like you did is horrible.

Looks like I made a nasty mistake. But where do you see the cutoff point for where I continue on the turn given that I had a different hand? QQ+? AA+? Twopair+?

flat pre, flat flop

This should be obvious, but TP tends to do better than overpairs in these spots. Not a huge difference, but something to think about. That said, I don't have much of a calling range on the flop (mostly I either 3b or fold) so it's hard to say what my turn calling range would look like.

Also, this should be fairly obvious too, but 3betting JTs is fine. It's not a slam dunk 3bet, and most people tend to just flat, but there's nothing horribly wrong with 3betting it. It probably doesn't matter a whole lot, especially when you are readless.

That said, this is actually a good hand to x/c on flop once you 3bet pre

Can you give your thought process on that ? I guess it's to keep his bluffs in. Would you 3 street call vs unknow and a third spade 3/4 pot bets? What would you do with that if the flop was 8c6sJs? I wouldn't x/c then

@activee: When deciding to check call with a pair, having a backdoor flush draw is the hand to do it with. You can either hit two pair or a flush draw which then you can call another bet with. That is about 15 cards to allow for a call on another normal-sized barrel. On the river your opponent may give up if he was bluffing or you may hit a flush and get the best hand. Some opponents won't bluff enough for this to be profitable, but against most players I think it is.

I wouldn't 3-bet JTs in the first hand. Just call.

Don't fold top pair against an unknown in the first hand...ever.

Don't listen to this guy. You do not have a false belief. Unknown villains LOVE to spazz out on the first hand.