HM2 closes few time / hours and will miss some winning ...

PT4 will closes few time / hours and will have some insane lost ( like 20 time the buy-in in lost )

Its tilt me .. any advices ?

Check the Superturbos thread for some discussion, but this is really tilting the **** out of me too. WTF? This is not free software, we are paying customers, either show your new releases as 'beta' until the major bugs are fixed or wait till the bugs are fixed before releasing, don't put this **** out to the market without thorough work...greedy bastards.

edit: well, at least PT4 is beta, so we can't complain I guess. HM2 on the hand, you guys are gonna lose a lot of customers if you keep this up, myself included.

HM2 must has to be the biggest pos on the market. It's been unbelievably buggy since release. Hard to believe a company with a product as good as HEM could **** up so hard and allow PT back into the market. Unless I'm mistaken though PT4 has gone public now and is no longer in beta so there is no excuse for there being any problems with it either.

+1

Our EV discussion in Superturbos thread is only the tip of the iceberg. There are many bugs in both. My guess is HM and PT guys were racing against each other where the top priority was not the quality (lolwut) but being the first to release 'new generation tracker' and presumably get the most customers i.e. $$$$$$$$$$$. The result are ***** pos programs that hardly qualify for closed beta let alone commercial release.

PS. PT4 is commercial now, check release notes https://www.pokertracker.com/products/PT4/download.php

I am using HM2 and don't have any troubles. (but there was a lot of issues at the beginning)

Trying both (trial) and there are issues here and there, but nothing major. In time and with updates it'll settle down as usual. What I really have the problem with is their EV adjustment. Posted this in Hypers thread but I'll repost here and with more details. All the tournaments are imported into empty databases from the same source - HM1's processed hands directory and they are all filtered for the same date range. Also bear in mind that I have mixed stakes in this sample.


I'll start with the HM1 graph - ver. 1.12.10b



And for those saying that 1.12.09 is different and 'only true' - I've downgraded to 1.12.09 but it's the same graph






Before I show you HM2 and PT4 tournament/winning let me first show hands/chips graphs ...


PT4 h/c


HM2 h/c


They are identical. At this point it's clear I was running above expectation and won a little over 2x than my fair share. Both h/c graphs show that. And if you look at HM1 graph above it nicely correlates with hands/chips. Seems logical. Makes sense.





And now watch how PT4 and HM2 extrapolate the same hands and same EV differences ...

PT4



HM2


Now THIS does not make sense at all! I have no idea what they are doing but it doesn't take rocket scientist to see that something went terribly wrong.

On top of that ...

I've played 458 tournaments recently and payed in total $977 (buy-in) + $33.28 (rake).

Tournament summary (non-adjusted) shows I've won $46.12 with a 5% ROI ...



However when I check [x] Show $EV adjusted, apparently I was supposed to lose $1,018.77 which gives exactly 0% ROI ...





I'm not talking about client crashing and restarting here and there or something similar slightly annoying, but some serious math fail. Who knows what else is rigged that passed unnoticed and is accumulating over time.

I think you should be posting this in the HM2 support thread and ask them to look at it before to post on here. There might be some very simple explanantion. or they might be albe to explain these number to you. Their support is pretty good.

I Put HM2 on at 7.30am and leave in on in the background till about 3pm and mine doesn't crash.

As for the graph I don't see where the problem is?? The chips graph is always very different from the graph in BI. Am I missing something?

You're right, will report that. As for graph - I don't see how is 4 ev_bb/100 winner supposed to be in negative when it translates to real money. And since I mentioned mixed stakes, the funny thing is that my my ROI at higher stakes much higher than at lower. No way that graph is right. And obviously no way EV ROI of 0% = you lose 99,99% games.

but your HM2 EV line shows pretty much $0 so it would be consistent with 0% ROI. wouldn't it?
Anyways interested to know what the HM2 guys have to say.

Ummm no, it's in red so maybe it could be -0.43% or something but not exactly zero. And if EV adjusted shows (the other post, 2nd pic) that I should have lost everything than it realistically should be -100%. And if you look closely (total buyin, rake) this is more than the sum of all buyins, while at the same time maintaining 53% ITM



I'll just compare data from HM1 and HM2 in one last try to figure out where the difference comes from and then post in official HM2 thread with data, screenshots etc.

Could you post the link to this thread please? thank you

What would you recommend if you use at the moment HEM1, PT4 or HEM2?

Haven't posted in HM2 thread yet (when I do I'll post the link here, still sorting out data). But I have in PT4 for start: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=2876 - got a promise from support guy that he'll contact the devs.


Right now I'm on trial on both PT4 and HM2 and still don't know what to think tbh. Also genher gave a lot of good advice and comparison in hypers thread.

IMO:

- HM1 and I assume PT3 do the job just fine - there's no real need to rush for improvement

- technically the only new feature you get that didn't exist before is auto note taking (is there anything else really new and game breaking?). HM2 is way more advanced in that regard, but in a nutshell to get 100% power you need to give extra $60 for NoteCaddy.

- HM2 also has better designed player analysis module and overall feels more intuitive. Some routine tasks are 1-click away in HM2 and 5-clicks away in PT4 ... maybe I'm just not used to it, dunno.

- if you have older notebook (like me) you should really consider PT4 which is super light weight compared to competitor. HM2 consumes more memory than new 3d games (alright, I'm exaggerating) and can really slow down your system. Seriously, I'm using Game Booster to free every bit of memory I can before initiating the 1+ minute boot up sequence.

- Both have bugs here and there but that shouldn't be a concern. Developers of both programs are working hard, listening to players and by the time you decide to buy majority of problems will be history.

- The only real issue I have is EV, discussed above.

- In all honesty both are good. Matter of personal preference. Trial them both, it's hard to judge cause the differences are small. Personally I'm thorn apart which to pick. Every day I'm experimenting with the other one (and due to limited time I'm not even using HM1 atm).

ok thank you, I´m still using HEM1 but the PT4 coffee hud looks very nice.
so at the moment I prefer PT4, but thats the only reason to change.

pt4 dark yellowish line seems to be the same as hem .09 line, but the net adjusted thing (orange line) is bat**** insane. according to that line in the last 100 hands i dropped 55 bi in ev