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12-10-2011, 12:30 AM
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adept
Join Date: Dec 2008
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Re: HUSNG.com presents: The free mersenneary ebook
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Originally Posted by am_man
How well did ESPN pay you to give hand by hand analysis (very good analysis I might add) at the live coverage of the main even this year? Id say that was about as much strategy as Mers is giving here to the right people and those that can apply it appropriately.
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12-10-2011, 01:37 AM
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#92
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adept
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: I'm on a boat!
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Re: HUSNG.com presents: The free mersenneary ebook
^^^ Meh, not saying one is bad or not. I actually really enjoyed the coverage a lot. I just know there was a lot of criticism about it at the time, much like this. Sounds like a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
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12-10-2011, 01:59 AM
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centurion
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 122
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Re: HUSNG.com presents: The free mersenneary ebook
No that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that poker education speeds up a player's learning process. It requires significantly less talent and hard work to become good when you have a teacher, coach, training site, helpful book, etc. I am of course not implying that someone can become good without working hard, but you are profiting by making the process of improving easier. That's the value your book theoretically should bring. By definition, making the process of improving easier is bad for the games. It's good for the people who get better, but bad for the games overall. I don't know how to make this point more clearly. Your book is making the games worse. It might be miniscule, but it has that effect. Btw, online poker is intrinsically an unsustainable model, poker education simply speeds up the process of it breaking down. Your wariness seems to come from the fact that that people have been telling you that games are about to die, but they haven't totally died yet. That kind of reminds me of climate change deniers. Every snowfall proves the earth is not warming? This is a slow and gradual process. There are countless examples of how games have gotten worse, how action has dried up. You seem to imply that because games are not dead, that means they're not worse. Online poker isn't going to fall off of a cliff. But Dario Minieri was the best hu sng player like 5 years ago. He was 8 tabling and playing 6 different players at a time, some ridiculous massive fish. Now the fish in the games are regs lol.
I acknowledge that my live commentary would also fall into the category of making games worse though I think it's considerably different because live tournaments aren't dying, they're getting bigger. There are other reasons too but I'm going to sleep, its 8 am here.
Finally, Mers my only issue with the bball comment was that you seemed to imply that I was being dishonest on my website. People say many things about me on here and that's fine, it comes with the territory and I've earned many of those comments. But I wanted to address that comment because it came from a respected poster and I thought had to do with integrity. Also, I wasn't trying to pretend like I was Kenny Anderson in highschool, Class C is the Private School class, like you said, bunch of rich white kids....
Last edited by livb112; 12-10-2011 at 02:10 AM.
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12-10-2011, 02:09 AM
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#94
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centurion
Join Date: Nov 2005
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Re: HUSNG.com presents: The free mersenneary ebook
Last comment because there may be some confusion about something. I'm not making a value judgment on profiting by making the games worse through poker education. I'm making a value judgment on doing that and then at the same time denying that you're making the games worse. That is either insane denial or dishonesty, either way, that's what I have an issue with.
Livb out....
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12-10-2011, 02:21 AM
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'10 HU Forum Champ
Join Date: Jul 2006
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Re: HUSNG.com presents: The free mersenneary ebook
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12-10-2011, 02:44 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: May 2011
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Re: HUSNG.com presents: The free mersenneary ebook
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Originally Posted by livb112
though I think it's considerably different because live tournaments aren't dying, they're getting bigger.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by livb112
That is either insane denial or dishonesty
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Lol at this
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12-10-2011, 03:17 AM
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adept
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 1,159
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Re: HUSNG.com presents: The free mersenneary ebook
Is that a level?
You do know that despite the country with the largest online player pool in the entire world being banned from their site stars just broke the record for most ppl ever in a mtt and their is a $215 $10 million dollar mtt coming up right?
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12-10-2011, 03:43 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: May 2011
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Re: HUSNG.com presents: The free mersenneary ebook
Not at all. I am not saying they are not increasing.
It is the way he justifies it. When Mers gets paid to train poker players it is so wrong, yet when he does it its fine because it is mtt. That does not make any sense.
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12-10-2011, 03:46 AM
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centurion
Join Date: Dec 2009
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Re: HUSNG.com presents: The free mersenneary ebook
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Originally Posted by ITRIED2WARNU
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WP Good sir.
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12-10-2011, 04:37 AM
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old hand
Join Date: Mar 2009
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Re: HUSNG.com presents: The free mersenneary ebook
Livb does have a point.
games are still profitable for the winners but i´d like to measure how much influx of money actually goes into the poker economy,because i feel the top 20 profit nowadays from cannibalizing regs who won and moved up instead of fish.
So while there will be people who have more success because of this book each of them will take (most of)his additional profits from people who try to make a living of off poker, which does not seem like a positive thing for the games. And just because those people are not as talented(motivating oneself to work really hard is a talent imo),they are not incorrect when they complain.
Overall i´m gonna try to devour every crumb of pokerknowledge that falls off of merse´s table, but i do not feel too positive about the future of onlinepoker especially since one market after another starts to close out foreigners.
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12-10-2011, 05:11 AM
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old hand
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Whistler, Canada
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Re: HUSNG.com presents: The free mersenneary ebook
lol, IT2WU
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12-10-2011, 06:15 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: Jul 2010
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Re: HUSNG.com presents: The free mersenneary ebook
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Originally Posted by AnJo280
Overall i´m gonna try to devour every crumb of pokerknowledge that falls off of merse´s table, but i do not feel too positive about the future of onlinepoker especially since one market after another starts to close out foreigners.
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I think short- to medium-term this is by far the biggest threat to online poker but long-term the online poker player pools will grow again.
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12-10-2011, 06:46 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: Jul 2011
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AnJo280
Livb does have a point.
games are still profitable for the winners but i´d like to measure how much influx of money actually goes into the poker economy,because i feel the top 20 profit nowadays from cannibalizing regs who won and moved up instead of fish.
So while there will be people who have more success because of this book each of them will take (most of)his additional profits from people who try to make a living of off poker, which does not seem like a positive thing for the games. And just because those people are not as talented(motivating oneself to work really hard is a talent imo),they are not incorrect when they complain.
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Ive never seen things this way and i think that you should just quit if you see that as "canibalizing" and if you feel that getting money out of ppl trying to make a live on poker. If thats wrong from your view winning from fish is almost the same as you cant evaluate how important that money is to them, since obv addicted people cant just stop gambling. This game isnt supposed to be a nice and "correct" game, there are ppl destroying their lives while we make money out of them. The point is I dont care about them.
Ps: and seeing things my way, people who get screwed because the games got so tough they cant beat it anymore have no right to complain. This isnt a normal job where people just go claim for their rights if they feel injusticed, simply because there isnt much justice involved. There is obv to some extent, but if you cant beat the game you should either improve or quit, complaining isnt an option.
Blaming Mersenneary for ruining their lives is allowed though.
Last edited by Siriusz; 12-10-2011 at 06:55 AM.
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12-10-2011, 06:55 AM
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#104
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old hand
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 1,655
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Re: HUSNG.com presents: The free mersenneary ebook
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Originally Posted by Siriusz
Ive never seen things this way and i think that you should just quit if you see that as "canibalizing" and if you feel that getting money out of ppl trying to make a live on poker. If thats wrong from your view winning from fish is almost the same as you cant evaluate how important that money is to them, since obv addicted people cant just stop gambling. This game isnt supposed to be a nice and "correct" game, there are ppl destroying their life while we make money out of them. The point is I dont care about them.
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I didn´t say i mind taking their money. I´m just saying it´s not good for the games if you accelerate that process.
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12-10-2011, 07:04 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 380
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Whats the worst case scenario? Worse regs cant win anymore so they quit. Less regs in the game, proportion of fish goes up. recreational fish dont quit the games because the regs are playing better. Meanwhile a lot of new players start trying to make a live, some will quit if they cant but until they realize that its money to be won.
I personally find it hard to see the end of online poker in the near future. And most likely i will have quit way before (bad reg here) so i dont care either.
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