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Old 12-14-2011, 04:27 PM   #241
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Thursday, December 15th, 2011, evening time US.

It's ready, but Mers is busy until the evening so we'll launch it all at once when he's there.

It will be both available to download in PDF format (Use Sumatra PDF to read it, Adobe Reader is inferior I believe) and it will also be hosted on HUSNG.com, similar to other articles we've had in the past.

Nothing required to view the articles or download the PDF.

You might also find that this book is linked in some non heads up sng places. That is one of the primary goals of the release, to help get more people interested in our game. The ability to attract players at a higher rate than other games is an essential component to why HUSNGs have improved over the years, at least in my opinion.
This. Also, husngs are zero sum, winner-take-all, simple for fish/rec. players to understand and appreciate, no complications like bb/100 rates or the intimidation they feel of large mtts or the boredom of FR or worse Limit, or more hole cards like in PLO. The very simple idea of entering a tourney, winning or losing, end of story, is very attractive to weaker players certainly, and stuff like Mers' book will only help bring more fishies, and that's all good
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Old 12-14-2011, 04:43 PM   #242
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Re: HUSNG.com presents: The free mersenneary ebook

Mers killed all the action at heads up sngs!!!!!



Wait for it..... Wait for it..... Waaaaaiiiit for it......





Mers saved all the action at heads up sngs!!!! Yay Merry X-mas poker!!!
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Old 12-14-2011, 05:06 PM   #243
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I taught middle school math for a semester while playing mid/high stakes poker. I'm ****ing crazy.
errrrr

also i 100% agree w/crimsonchin/livb/others who take a similar statement. can obviously provide arguments but i guess most things have been said already. i dont see how you benefit from this at all, besides from getting your ass licked.
gl anyways, im curious to see what its like!

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Old 12-14-2011, 05:08 PM   #244
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This. Also, husngs are zero sum, winner-take-all, simple for fish/rec. players to understand and appreciate, no complications like bb/100 rates or the intimidation they feel of large mtts or the boredom of FR or worse Limit, or more hole cards like in PLO. The very simple idea of entering a tourney, winning or losing, end of story, is very attractive to weaker players certainly, and stuff like Mers' book will only help bring more fishies, and that's all good
yeah because fish definitely download this and read through it all

also lol @ fish dont like "more hole cards like in PLO". thats probably why 95% of PLO players are fishes.

you sir, are retarded. gl in your hu4rollz.
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Old 12-14-2011, 07:24 PM   #245
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Didnt read the whole thread so maybe my question was answered before.
is this book a pure super turbo ebook ore was it written for turbos and reg speeds aswell ?
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Wonder how much of this is plagiarized from Collin Moshman's excellent heads up book. I'll have his work open alongside me as i read through the sections on Bayesian Inferences and optimal VPIP OOP and I'll have Collin on speed dial. You have been warned.
lol that book is such a piece of crap.
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Old 12-14-2011, 08:25 PM   #247
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yeah because fish definitely download this and read through it all

also lol @ fish dont like "more hole cards like in PLO". thats probably why 95% of PLO players are fishes.

you sir, are retarded. gl in your hu4rollz.
I don't know what the **** I was writing there. Now that I had my Red Bull, re-reading it, yeah, that was def. retarded, haha! Not the stuff about Ryan's comment tho, that was correct. Anyways, thx. on the hu4rollz.
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Old 12-14-2011, 08:31 PM   #248
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i was a lil harsh on you with that last comment but figured you could handle it <3
was serious about the hu4rollz thing though: much, much respect for you if it goes down
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Old 12-14-2011, 08:37 PM   #249
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Yeah np, I'm a big boy. Only thing u need to worry about is complimenting me..you see, I'm kinda attracted to your persona (no lvl), the more u compliment me the more I will want u. Be careful.
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I don't know what the **** I was writing there. Now that I had my Red Bull, re-reading it, yeah, that was def. retarded, haha! Not the stuff about Ryan's comment tho, that was correct. Anyways, thx. on the hu4rollz.
No the whole post was crap, husngs are the only form of poker thats zero sum? fish are intimidated by big field mtts?
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Old 12-14-2011, 09:13 PM   #251
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And is there any way of purchasing printed copies?
If well received, this project could easily be expanded into a for-pay hardcover book. It all depends on whether Collin Moshman continues the $500/month he's been paying me not to do so.

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It might sound a bit jarring and "bad" to cite ego as a reason for helping, but I am fairly certain Livb was sincere when he said he did not mean it as an insult.
I agree, especially considering he went out of his way to say that and I took it as genuine (ITRIED saw it the other way). Openness and honesty about ego makes life more fun.

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Curious though, Mers, you seem to imply that you also believe that the poker economy is unsustainable. Can you elaborate? Is this aimed mostly towards the online economy?

I know nothing of economics, but I had always figured that at some point the profitability of learning poker for a living will reach some sort of equilibrium where it is no longer far more profitable than other jobs, in which case some who are talented for poker (or have played a lot as amateurs) will be able to make money, but people can't just all play poker for 2-3 months and have hourlies 2-3x their previous job as I believe they can right now, so there is much lesser of an incentive for new players to become regs, and thus the reg:fish ratio will remain there.

My belief is that when it reaches that point, only players who are the most lucky, talented, and hard working will make substantial amounts of money, akin to many other career paths. Is this an accurate prediction?

And if it is, do you think this reg:fish ratio equilibrium is significantly worse than right now, or if it would take a substantial amount of time to reach? Any predictions/comments?
I don't spend a lot of time thinking about this tbh. There definitely is too many players making too much money with far too little skill for us to be anywhere close to that kind of equilibrium. What happens in the future will depend too much on who gets access to poker and broader things in the poker economy.

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errrrr

also i 100% agree w/crimsonchin/livb/others who take a similar statement. can obviously provide arguments but i guess most things have been said already. i dont see how you benefit from this at all, besides from getting your ass licked.
gl anyways, im curious to see what its like!
Given the "errrrr", it seems you have a different utility curve than mine. How remarkable!

Here's what I gain from this, in no particular order:
1. It was part of a contract back in February that was the biggest training site contract for HUSNG play of all time afaik. I like money I can buy myself nice things with it.
2. I got really invested in some of the content in the ebook that doesn't have to do with in-game poker. I want it spread to as many people who will read it because I think there's a good chance people will get something more important out of it than what my historical expectation is limping 12bb deep or how nitty of a 3-betting range I advise 20bb deep against a random. And that's something that would give me a lot of utility again because who the **** cares it just does.
3. It will feel good to put my name on something and make a lasting contribution that will be referenced years and years down the road. Sure, five years from now it will be spoken about with as much derision and dismissiveness as Moshman's, but I'm excited for that, too.
4. It matters to me that people have the same access to free poker education that I had when I was first starting to learn how to play and first moving up in stakes. I owe a lot to those people and it gives me utility to pay it forward.
5. ChicagoRy has naked pictures of me and a grainy cell phone video that he will claim is me blowing borderline. It's not, but that's what he'll claim.
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If well received, this project could easily be expanded into a for-pay hardcover book. It all depends on whether Collin Moshman continues the $500/month he's been paying me not to do so.
He seriously pays you for that?

I'd definite purchase it, even after printing all of it myself - I'm simply one of these old-fashioned guys who prefers holding a real book on his hands rather than reading stuff online.

So excited about this - makes me almost forget that I had to make my last post itt without reading, afraid I'd get too much upset otherwise - which absolutely would have happened.
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He seriously pays you for that?
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Old 12-15-2011, 03:27 AM   #254
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I think the book is a little bit overrated and not because its bad or something else on the contrary
But if a hobby player will only read it, it doesnt help him to get a better player because there is so much more to do to get better and its still hard work.
Most of the player wont do that and just copy a move and dont understand why they play this hand.

So I´m looking forward to this book and will enjoy it but I dont think every fish will improve to a hardcore reg
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Old 12-15-2011, 03:44 AM   #255
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I don't contribute much to the 2p2 husng community unfortunately, but I have been beating the higher stakes games for a while and think I can speak on this stuff w/ some authority.

Just my 2 cents:

1. I agree w/ livb that we do have to be honest, and admit that poker education is at least having some affect on making games more difficult. While obviously fish aren't going to get noticeably better from poker education, average regs have a better chance at becoming solid regs and we get stuck having to war each other or profit share at bigger games (that and as livb mentioned the fish go bust quicker).

2. While I don't really understand why Mers would want to put this book out (even after reading his explanations), I'm not really all that worked up about it. I think the husng community as a whole is pretty far behind in their development as they could be. It was only a couple years ago husng players even realized huds are helpful. There's still a lot of concepts that haven't been revealed to the majority of the husng community. A lot of the content being taught on sites like husng.com are just the same concepts being taught over and over again by like 5 guys (not to mention there's content out there that I wholeheartedly believe is detrimental to player development to study), and I think things have started to stall out in terms of new husng ideas becoming available to everybody.

3. I agree with Olga that sts might become obsolete eventually. But as someone who doesnt play sts, I've been frankly thankful in some ways to see so many ppl get caught up in the st craze. It sux that it makes it easier for average players to burn through fish bankrolls, but as a whole I think its making regs much much worse. If there is a day where husng poker officially dies (which I honestly don't think will happen), the existence of sts is certainly pushing that day further into the future.

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