thanks spamz!

great post spamzor, will read it again.

I'll frame it and hang on my wall. good stuff

i think DocDevil Spammy
fwiw

spamz0r!

About calling shoves from the BB, let me offer this reference table I created some time ago (mostly for exploration) with some remarks:



I used the stoxEV app to create six different generic SB shoving ranges (from 'very tight' to 'very loose') and saw what hands from the BB were +EV calls against each one, as stack depth drops from 12 BBs to 3 BBs. So you look up the BB hand that interests you on the grid, and then check inside its box to see what shoving ranges (denoted by shape) it can make a +EV call against at various maximum stack depths (denoted by color.)

The generic sample SB shoving ranges I used are directly taken from the Sklansky-Chubukov rankings. The hands in each shoving range are listed below the grid, along with what top percentage of all SC shoving hands they comprise.

What I want to note is that in reality, especially in the 12 BB to 9 BB range, villains' shoving ranges will often not be balanced. They'll min-raise, not shove, their monsters, or limp with them. They might not shove some of the (to them) weaker looking hands in a certain range. Or they might especially (but not exclusively) shove hands that don't play well post-flop if they make a smaller raise and get flatted, while min-raising with some of those that do.

So take the table with a grain of salt, use it to get a general feel for BB calling ranges as factors like SB shoving looseness and stack depth change. And play around with stoxEV on your own to model specific scenarios of interest.

Great post spam

good post , thanks

I have a question:
In "Theory And Practice", p. 218, Sklansky gives the following definition of the Sklansky-Chubokov-number:

If you have a face-up hand and a $1 blind, and your sole opponent has a $2 blind, how big does your stack have to be (in dollars, not counting your $1 blind) such that it would be better to fold rather than move in, assuming your opponent calls or folds perfectly.

Doesnt this mean that you have to halve the S-C-number to get the critical stacksize in BB?
For example: K3s has S-C-number 28 (roughly). According to spamz you can openshove +ev with 28 BB or less. According to TAP you can openshove +ev with $28 if the BB is $2, meaning 14 BB.

What do i misunderstand in the definition above?

Bumpity bump for gooood POST ty spamz0r

Bump the question. I thought as well that S-C-number it's max stack in $ you can push effectively in 1$/2$ game.

Very good read article though.

bump for prosperity.

wow sick, hold on i'll do some math if this is true OBV has to be changed ASAP because i don't want people to implement huge ev- spots in their game =/

we've been TARPED no wonder I'm on an endless downswing

p.s. can mods please sticky this thread once all the math/errors have been double-checked/fixed, so that we can just refer beginners to it instead of answering the same questions over and over?

really weird, can some people check this with me?

suppose we have KK and openshove, blinds 0.50/1.00; villain will call with KK+ which is 7 combo's (6 AA and 1 KK); against that range we have 22.618% equity according to pokerstove, there's a total of 50*49/2 other hands (because we have two cards, and there's 2! permutations)

SOOOOOOOOOO villain will fold 1218/1225 times, which will net us 1.5bb's each time
villain will call 7/1225 times, we're going to have 22.618% equity against that range, and let's just call our stack Z here
so we need to see where the breakeven point is, and that is by the formula:

1218/1225 * 1.5 - 7/1225 * 0.22618 * Z = 0
<=> 3654/2450 = 1.58325/1225 * Z
<=> 3654/3.16652 = Z
<=> Z = 1154-ish
wtf?

I think it should be


1218/1225 * 1.5 + 7/1225 * 0.22618 * Z - 7/1225 * 0.77382 * Z= 0

Need to factor in both when you win with your KK and lose. I think?

Edit: Which is 476.59 bb, I believe.

Edit 2: Which I also believe that means the Chubukov numbers are in $, and should be 1/2 of what they are for bb.